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https://www.hamas-massacre.net https://www.hamas-massacre.net

by dgxyz 6mo ago

close04 6mo ago
We call Hamas "terrorists" for far less than Israel's actions.
- dgxyz 6mo ago
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  - close04 6mo ago
    For sure my "genocide supporting" brain center took critical damage and is not operational.
    - dgxyz 6mo ago
      As we're talking absolutes clearly, was the Nova music festival massacre justified resistance?
      - throwaw12 6mo ago
        no massacre is justified, but can you remind us how and where did Hamas get helicopters and tanks and all of a sudden all cars were smashed? maybe Hannibal directive handed them over their tanks
      - close04 6mo ago
        > was the Nova music festival massacre justified resistance Intentionally killing civilians is never justified. But this still makes Palestine/Hamas the (much) smaller genocidal terrorist in this conflict. Free people don't need freedom fighters ;). Now, I have no horse in this race, I am not related to any of the peoples involved, and live far away. I'm just the voice that finds genocide wrong. You on the other hand look like you're happily riding the terrorist, genocidal horse. I don't expect anything from you in terms of quality debate.
bongripper 6mo ago
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Saline9515 6mo ago
Of course, Israel is a pure white dove. For instance, they have rallies for "the right to rape prisoners" (and recently to kill them) [0]. Or to willingly mutilate peaceful protesters presenting no risk[1]. The problem is that the total lack of moral limits in Israel only forces their opponents to escalate, or accept to be treated like animals (in the case of the West Bank Palestinians). It also affects the US, since that they have to follow along with Israel' way of doing the war (mainly, war crimes). [0]: https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2024/8/13/israeli-protesters-rally-for-the-right-to-rape-prisoners https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2024/8/13/israeli-p... [1]: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-03-06/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/42-knees-in-one-day-israeli-snipers-open-up-about-shooting-gaza-protesters/0000017f-f2da-d497-a1ff-f2dab2520000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-03-06/ty-article-ma...
- dgxyz 6mo ago
  Oh no they are a rotten old pigeon as well and I don't disagree. What I object to is the "freedom fighters" being painted with moral virtue when they are raping murdering bastards.
  - Saline9515 6mo ago
    The problem is that once a party starts to commit atrocities, all others tend to do it. Atrocities by Israel are not new, and Israel has a long history about it, since its inception: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread Rather than deshumanizing parties, deescalation is needed to achieve peace. And an end of the US support to Israel.
kergonath 6mo ago
That is the consequence of a long-term policy. Israel made sure the Palestinian authority was sidelined and helped Hamas get full control of the Gaza Strip. History did not start in October 2023.
- dgxyz 6mo ago
  Yes I am aware of the full history of the Middle East back to the middle ages... The problem really kicked off after the Ottoman reform (Tanzimat) period.

https://www.hamas-massacre.net https://www.hamas-massacre.net

by dgxyz 6mo ago

https://www.hamas-massacre.net https://www.hamas-massacre.net

close04 6mo ago

We call Hamas "terrorists" for far less than Israel's actions.

dgxyz 6mo ago
[flagged]
- close04 6mo ago
  For sure my "genocide supporting" brain center took critical damage and is not operational.
  - dgxyz 6mo ago
    As we're talking absolutes clearly, was the Nova music festival massacre justified resistance?
    - throwaw12 6mo ago
      no massacre is justified, but can you remind us how and where did Hamas get helicopters and tanks and all of a sudden all cars were smashed? maybe Hannibal directive handed them over their tanks
    - close04 6mo ago
      > was the Nova music festival massacre justified resistance Intentionally killing civilians is never justified. But this still makes Palestine/Hamas the (much) smaller genocidal terrorist in this conflict. Free people don't need freedom fighters ;). Now, I have no horse in this race, I am not related to any of the peoples involved, and live far away. I'm just the voice that finds genocide wrong. You on the other hand look like you're happily riding the terrorist, genocidal horse. I don't expect anything from you in terms of quality debate.

bongripper 6mo ago

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Saline9515 6mo ago

Of course, Israel is a pure white dove. For instance, they have rallies for "the right to rape prisoners" (and recently to kill them) [0]. Or to willingly mutilate peaceful protesters presenting no risk[1]. The problem is that the total lack of moral limits in Israel only forces their opponents to escalate, or accept to be treated like animals (in the case of the West Bank Palestinians). It also affects the US, since that they have to follow along with Israel' way of doing the war (mainly, war crimes). [0]: https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2024/8/13/israeli-protesters-rally-for-the-right-to-rape-prisoners https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2024/8/13/israeli-p... [1]: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-03-06/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/42-knees-in-one-day-israeli-snipers-open-up-about-shooting-gaza-protesters/0000017f-f2da-d497-a1ff-f2dab2520000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-03-06/ty-article-ma...

dgxyz 6mo ago
Oh no they are a rotten old pigeon as well and I don't disagree. What I object to is the "freedom fighters" being painted with moral virtue when they are raping murdering bastards.
- Saline9515 6mo ago
  The problem is that once a party starts to commit atrocities, all others tend to do it. Atrocities by Israel are not new, and Israel has a long history about it, since its inception: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread Rather than deshumanizing parties, deescalation is needed to achieve peace. And an end of the US support to Israel.

kergonath 6mo ago

That is the consequence of a long-term policy. Israel made sure the Palestinian authority was sidelined and helped Hamas get full control of the Gaza Strip. History did not start in October 2023.

dgxyz 6mo ago
Yes I am aware of the full history of the Middle East back to the middle ages... The problem really kicked off after the Ottoman reform (Tanzimat) period.