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4 years as an provisional deal was done earlier. All us intelligence agencies agreed and testified to congress that Iran was not working towards a bomb as Trump

4 years as an provisional deal was done earlier. All us intelligence agencies agreed and testified to congress that Iran was not working towards a bomb as Trump ripped up the agreement. They were all wrong or what? >This remains to be seen I think. Honestly, if Europe kicks us out I'll be happy personally. I look forward to the day the US isn't running the oceans as a toll road for the globe and everyone handles their own backyards. I think we are far enough past WW2 that the world no longer needs a nanny. Pretty rich to day this given what US is doing now.

BobbyJo 7mo ago
You are ignoring the fundamental difference between the JCPOA's goals and the argument here. JCPOA was not a denuclearization agreement, it wasn't even a "no atomic bombs" agreement. All it did was limit centrifuge count, and enrichment density. Iran complying with those was mostly useless for the goal for the goal of preventing them getting an atomic bomb. It was effectively a stalling maneuver, one that would have partially expired last year.
- Hikikomori 7mo ago
  Or it was working, as intel agencies seems to agree on, and set the stage for future agreements and getting Iran on a path of normalization. Instead Trump ripped it up and then got involved in yet another useless zionist middle eastern war that only seems to have made Iran stronger and further destroying US reputation.
  - BobbyJo 7mo ago
    "It was working" I'm trying to discuss what that means, because I think that's where we are disagreeing. What does that mean to you? To me (and it's crafters) the JCPOA "working" meant slowing Iran down temporarily.
    - Hikikomori 7mo ago
      Comparing their progress towards building a bomb under and after the agreement? We know they followed the agreement with minor discrepancies, and when sanctions started they started breaking it. With no diplomatic agreement and sanctions in place what should Iran be doing? Might as well build a bomb then.
      - BobbyJo 7mo ago
        > Comparing their progress towards building a bomb under and after the agreement? Well yeah, like I said, it was a stalling maneuver. It slowed things down. > We know they followed the agreement with minor discrepancies, and when sanctions started they started breaking it. With no diplomatic agreement and sanctions in place what should Iran be doing? Might as well build a bomb then. Well yeah, they were doing that before and during the JCPOA. Why wouldn't they do it after?

BobbyJo 7mo ago

You are ignoring the fundamental difference between the JCPOA's goals and the argument here. JCPOA was not a denuclearization agreement, it wasn't even a "no atomic bombs" agreement. All it did was limit centrifuge count, and enrichment density. Iran complying with those was mostly useless for the goal for the goal of preventing them getting an atomic bomb. It was effectively a stalling maneuver, one that would have partially expired last year.

Hikikomori 7mo ago
Or it was working, as intel agencies seems to agree on, and set the stage for future agreements and getting Iran on a path of normalization. Instead Trump ripped it up and then got involved in yet another useless zionist middle eastern war that only seems to have made Iran stronger and further destroying US reputation.
- BobbyJo 7mo ago
  "It was working" I'm trying to discuss what that means, because I think that's where we are disagreeing. What does that mean to you? To me (and it's crafters) the JCPOA "working" meant slowing Iran down temporarily.
  - Hikikomori 7mo ago
    Comparing their progress towards building a bomb under and after the agreement? We know they followed the agreement with minor discrepancies, and when sanctions started they started breaking it. With no diplomatic agreement and sanctions in place what should Iran be doing? Might as well build a bomb then.
    - BobbyJo 7mo ago
      > Comparing their progress towards building a bomb under and after the agreement? Well yeah, like I said, it was a stalling maneuver. It slowed things down. > We know they followed the agreement with minor discrepancies, and when sanctions started they started breaking it. With no diplomatic agreement and sanctions in place what should Iran be doing? Might as well build a bomb then. Well yeah, they were doing that before and during the JCPOA. Why wouldn't they do it after?