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They’re asking for $100+/mo for the plans that are actually usable at scale. If I’m paying that much I have very high expectations. There’s also the fact that

They’re asking for $100+/mo for the plans that are actually usable at scale. If I’m paying that much I have very high expectations. There’s also the fact that they’re known for dogfooding heavily, I imagine that contributes to it a lot.

forrestthewoods 6mo ago
> They’re asking for $100+/mo for the plans that are actually usable at scale. If I’m paying that much I have very high expectations. They’re losing money on you at that price point. Or more precisely you’re paying for it by giving them training data.
- omega3 6mo ago
  I'm not convinced, Kimi 2.5, GLM 5.1, Minimax M2.7 are all fraction of the price and still make money on inference.
baq 6mo ago
they can adjust prices or you can adjust your expectations. ...and let's be realistic, it'll be both.
stingraycharles 6mo ago
> They’re asking for $100+/mo for the plans that are actually usable at scale. If I’m paying that much I have very high expectations. If you think $100 is that much and get very high expectations from it, you're not the target customer. You're a loss leader to Anthropic, and the fact that you don't see that / still have high expectations means your expectations are unrealistic.
- dijit 6mo ago
  $100/m for SaaS is very steep. For an entire productivity suite including mail, meetings and terabytes of backed up redundant storage with nearly no bandwidth limitations it's like $35/m for even the most expensive option.
  - tao_oat 6mo ago
    Those products have very low COGS in comparison to this.
  - baq 6mo ago
    you could arguably ditch the productivity suite and a few other 'essential' subscriptions to make room for this one, except the price point will get enshittified to hell in the coming months and years.
  - bredren 6mo ago
    Claude Code and Codex are not SaaS products in the traditional sense.
  - stingraycharles 6mo ago
    Comparing state of the art LLMs with Office365 / Gsuite is like comparing renting a datacenter vs an airbnb. Entirely different things. Compare it to hosting models locally, that would be more apt. Or renting GPUs from cloud vendors.
    - dijit 6mo ago
      It’s a SaaS, and the most expensive SaaS available. If you’re saying an LLM provides more value than the office productivity suites , mail platforms and meeting platforms which run essentially the planet: then I am afraid, you have drunk the kool-aid. If you’re evaluating software licenses you have to weigh the price to value, there can be value to these LLMs but its not 3x the productivity of Mail+Spreadsheets+Live Meetings+presentations+wordprocessing+filesharing. Its just not.
      - stingraycharles 6mo ago
        If you really think the value add by LLMs is comparable to email and calendar, I don’t understand why you don’t understand my point that you’re not the customer Anthropic cares about.
        6mo ago
- dgb23 6mo ago
  I think the bigger point is that the price tag is simply not competitive, especially given all of the issues, downsides and dangers. Whether Anthropic makes money from the $100 subscriptions or not, is their problem.
tristanj 6mo ago
Those subscription plans are a loss leader. Anthropic would rather have you pay per-token for their API, where they actually make money. By cutting subscription limits, they push people towards using their API. And it's working, there are people spending thousands per month on their API.

forrestthewoods 6mo ago

> They’re asking for $100+/mo for the plans that are actually usable at scale. If I’m paying that much I have very high expectations. They’re losing money on you at that price point. Or more precisely you’re paying for it by giving them training data.

omega3 6mo ago
I'm not convinced, Kimi 2.5, GLM 5.1, Minimax M2.7 are all fraction of the price and still make money on inference.

baq 6mo ago

they can adjust prices or you can adjust your expectations. ...and let's be realistic, it'll be both.

stingraycharles 6mo ago

> They’re asking for $100+/mo for the plans that are actually usable at scale. If I’m paying that much I have very high expectations. If you think $100 is that much and get very high expectations from it, you're not the target customer. You're a loss leader to Anthropic, and the fact that you don't see that / still have high expectations means your expectations are unrealistic.

dijit 6mo ago
$100/m for SaaS is very steep. For an entire productivity suite including mail, meetings and terabytes of backed up redundant storage with nearly no bandwidth limitations it's like $35/m for even the most expensive option.
- tao_oat 6mo ago
  Those products have very low COGS in comparison to this.
- baq 6mo ago
  you could arguably ditch the productivity suite and a few other 'essential' subscriptions to make room for this one, except the price point will get enshittified to hell in the coming months and years.
- bredren 6mo ago
  Claude Code and Codex are not SaaS products in the traditional sense.
- stingraycharles 6mo ago
  Comparing state of the art LLMs with Office365 / Gsuite is like comparing renting a datacenter vs an airbnb. Entirely different things. Compare it to hosting models locally, that would be more apt. Or renting GPUs from cloud vendors.
  - dijit 6mo ago
    It’s a SaaS, and the most expensive SaaS available. If you’re saying an LLM provides more value than the office productivity suites , mail platforms and meeting platforms which run essentially the planet: then I am afraid, you have drunk the kool-aid. If you’re evaluating software licenses you have to weigh the price to value, there can be value to these LLMs but its not 3x the productivity of Mail+Spreadsheets+Live Meetings+presentations+wordprocessing+filesharing. Its just not.
    - stingraycharles 6mo ago
      If you really think the value add by LLMs is comparable to email and calendar, I don’t understand why you don’t understand my point that you’re not the customer Anthropic cares about.
      - 6mo ago
dgb23 6mo ago
I think the bigger point is that the price tag is simply not competitive, especially given all of the issues, downsides and dangers. Whether Anthropic makes money from the $100 subscriptions or not, is their problem.

tristanj 6mo ago

Those subscription plans are a loss leader. Anthropic would rather have you pay per-token for their API, where they actually make money. By cutting subscription limits, they push people towards using their API. And it's working, there are people spending thousands per month on their API.