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Israel is already breaking the ceasefire conditions. Ref: "Netanyahu: Ceasefire doesn’t cover Lebanon" https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-ce

Israel is already breaking the ceasefire conditions. Ref: "Netanyahu: Ceasefire doesn’t cover Lebanon" https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-ceasefire-doesnt-cover-lebanon-us-told-israel-its-committed-to-achieving-our-shared-goals-in-talks-with-iran/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-cease...

outside1234 6mo ago
Territorial expansion was probably always Israel's goal of this, with a bonus of weakening a regional rival.
- 21asdffdsa12 6mo ago
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  - twobitshifter 6mo ago
    No…attacks do not follow as a consequence from the action of giving land back. The conclusion from this reasoning would be to forever expand your borders. If it cannot be that the positive action of giving land causes an attack, think about what the real cause may be.
  - School-Cotton 6mo ago
    They have given back territory they don’t care about (Sinai), or “given back” territory but kept it under a permanent near-total blockade and military control (Gaza), but never given back territory they do care about and which is the main sticking point of the conflict (East Jerusalem and the West Bank). And they never will unless someone forces them to, which is unlikely.
- flyinglizard 6mo ago
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  - ImPostingOnHN 6mo ago
    > 1. Assure there will not be forces It's not israel's place as the aggressor to "assure" anything. Lebanon (and Palestine) have *at least* as much right to be safe from israel as israel has to be safe from them. "Assuring" as used by you here should be taken in the same context as a controlling abuser "assuring" their spouse never disobeys them, or afrikaaners "assuring" that South Africans of other races have no power. > 2. Acquire a bargaining chip ahead of a future peace agreement with Lebanon Yes, this is territorial expansion as mentioned above. > 3. Signal to the Iranian axis and the rest of the Middle East that it has won this war Why would israel signal that Iran has won this war? Seems like they'd want to avoid attention on that.
    - citrin_ru 6mo ago
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      - ImPostingOnHN 6mo ago
        It's clear that israel is an attacker here, and Iran, Palestine, and Lebanon are defending. Without attacks from israel and other israel backed groups, iran would not have attacked targets in israel. Even the most recent escalation started with israel (and the USA) attacking Iran a few weeks ago, not the other way around. Your take seems to hinge on holding an unfounded bayesian prior that israel is "the good guy" and therefore everything they do must be "defending". The world does not share this unfounded bayesian prior of yours, and thus remains unconvinced of the resulting conclusions drawn by israel and yourself. You will have to do a better job of convincing others, rather than simply asserting your opinions at them.
        spwa4 6mo ago
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      - RobertoG 6mo ago
        Man, Hezbollah was, literally, created as an answer to Israel attacks.
- zorobo 6mo ago
  In the 75 years of their existence it seems like they suck at expansion. They should take a page from Indonesia’s book for example. Or turkey.
  - oblio 6mo ago
    Indonesia?
    - zorobo 6mo ago
      Takeover of half of Papua New Guinea, now called irian Jaya. Transmigration, that is, moving Java people there and to Borneo (Kalimantan)in order to flood local populations with Malays. But this did not make the news that much. Not that interesting I guess…
throwworhtthrow 6mo ago
Israel violated the 2024 ceasefire over 10,000 times [0], not counting all the ones since Feb. 28. I guess this time they're not satisfied with having only 50 "freebies" a day. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Israel%E2%80%93Lebanon_ceasefire_agreement#Violations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Israel%E2%80%93Lebanon_ce...
- ra 6mo ago
  Have Israel ever respected a ceasefire?
  - SirFatty 6mo ago
    Has Hamas or Hezbollah?
    - igleria 6mo ago
      Textbook whataboutism.
      - SirFatty 6mo ago
        Israel would not be doing this if not for the continuous attacks from those jihadist groups (well funded by Iran). But you know that.
        bigyabai 6mo ago
        The Nakba was not provoked by jihadist groups, it was provoked by colonial invaders. The victimization narrative never worked.
    - ChoGGi 6mo ago
      You seem to be implying Israel is no better than a terrorist group.
      - alsetmusic 6mo ago
RA_Fisher 6mo ago
They’ll probably receive most if not all of Iran’s focus now.
miroljub 6mo ago
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outside1234 6mo ago

Territorial expansion was probably always Israel's goal of this, with a bonus of weakening a regional rival.

21asdffdsa12 6mo ago
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- twobitshifter 6mo ago
  No…attacks do not follow as a consequence from the action of giving land back. The conclusion from this reasoning would be to forever expand your borders. If it cannot be that the positive action of giving land causes an attack, think about what the real cause may be.
- School-Cotton 6mo ago
  They have given back territory they don’t care about (Sinai), or “given back” territory but kept it under a permanent near-total blockade and military control (Gaza), but never given back territory they do care about and which is the main sticking point of the conflict (East Jerusalem and the West Bank). And they never will unless someone forces them to, which is unlikely.
flyinglizard 6mo ago
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- ImPostingOnHN 6mo ago
  > 1. Assure there will not be forces It's not israel's place as the aggressor to "assure" anything. Lebanon (and Palestine) have *at least* as much right to be safe from israel as israel has to be safe from them. "Assuring" as used by you here should be taken in the same context as a controlling abuser "assuring" their spouse never disobeys them, or afrikaaners "assuring" that South Africans of other races have no power. > 2. Acquire a bargaining chip ahead of a future peace agreement with Lebanon Yes, this is territorial expansion as mentioned above. > 3. Signal to the Iranian axis and the rest of the Middle East that it has won this war Why would israel signal that Iran has won this war? Seems like they'd want to avoid attention on that.
  - citrin_ru 6mo ago
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    - ImPostingOnHN 6mo ago
      It's clear that israel is an attacker here, and Iran, Palestine, and Lebanon are defending. Without attacks from israel and other israel backed groups, iran would not have attacked targets in israel. Even the most recent escalation started with israel (and the USA) attacking Iran a few weeks ago, not the other way around. Your take seems to hinge on holding an unfounded bayesian prior that israel is "the good guy" and therefore everything they do must be "defending". The world does not share this unfounded bayesian prior of yours, and thus remains unconvinced of the resulting conclusions drawn by israel and yourself. You will have to do a better job of convincing others, rather than simply asserting your opinions at them.
      - spwa4 6mo ago
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    - RobertoG 6mo ago
      Man, Hezbollah was, literally, created as an answer to Israel attacks.
zorobo 6mo ago
In the 75 years of their existence it seems like they suck at expansion. They should take a page from Indonesia’s book for example. Or turkey.
- oblio 6mo ago
  Indonesia?
  - zorobo 6mo ago
    Takeover of half of Papua New Guinea, now called irian Jaya. Transmigration, that is, moving Java people there and to Borneo (Kalimantan)in order to flood local populations with Malays. But this did not make the news that much. Not that interesting I guess…

throwworhtthrow 6mo ago

Israel violated the 2024 ceasefire over 10,000 times [0], not counting all the ones since Feb. 28. I guess this time they're not satisfied with having only 50 "freebies" a day. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Israel%E2%80%93Lebanon_ceasefire_agreement#Violations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Israel%E2%80%93Lebanon_ce...

ra 6mo ago
Have Israel ever respected a ceasefire?
- SirFatty 6mo ago
  Has Hamas or Hezbollah?
  - igleria 6mo ago
    Textbook whataboutism.
    - SirFatty 6mo ago
      Israel would not be doing this if not for the continuous attacks from those jihadist groups (well funded by Iran). But you know that.
      - bigyabai 6mo ago
        The Nakba was not provoked by jihadist groups, it was provoked by colonial invaders. The victimization narrative never worked.
  - ChoGGi 6mo ago
    You seem to be implying Israel is no better than a terrorist group.
    - alsetmusic 6mo ago

RA_Fisher 6mo ago

They’ll probably receive most if not all of Iran’s focus now.

miroljub 6mo ago

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