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On the importance of gestures in public speaking

63 points by mapagella 14y ago

furyofantares 14y ago
Do you have an example of a talk by Zuckerberg that you find brilliant?
- mapagella 14y ago
  Zuckerberg being a terrible speaker (2010): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3hu3iG8B2g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3hu3iG8B2g Zuckerberg being a brilliant speaker (2011): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OQQ4E2k0Mk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OQQ4E2k0Mk Notice how he seems to be more confident and relaxed when he speaks. Unlike in the AllThingsD interview, this time he uses pauses and gestures effectively as well.
  - statusgraph 14y ago
    Just to be clear, that's not Zuckerberg for the first five minutes in the 2011 video.
Snapps 14y ago
Very interesting how you went on to note various speakers – specifically how their speeches seemed so different sans gesticulation. Thanks for sharing. (That must have taken a lot of time!)
guylhem 14y ago
It reminds me of the "suggestions" given to Dwight in the Office (when has to give a public presentation in S02E07), where he's given a video of Mussolini as an example of a speaker with a great body language to emulate - so he does, and it ends up with a wild cheer from his audience. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwights_Speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwights_Speech If you haven't seen it, you should - if only to look at the arms movement and remember it's usually not a good idea to look like a fascist dictator when you give a public presentation in the real life!
- mapagella 14y ago
  Hah, that's a good one! I haven't seen that one. That's exactly why I insist in being careful on how you use gestures - they need to be very subtle, otherwise you'll look, like you've just said, like a fascist dictator :)
  - guylhem 14y ago
    Indeed - the enthusiasm to use body gestures should be limited to a level compatible with the audience. As the author explained, it depends on the audience culture. Suggesting a liberated use of body language to a hacker audience may result in many Dwight-like performances... (good tip - don't stroke the table with your fist closed)
smacktoward 14y ago
I don't know if the important thing is gestures per se so much as it is a sense of the theatrical. Actors are unique in the performing arts because they "play" two instruments simultaneously. The first and most obvious one is their voice. But the second is their body -- how they move, carry themselves, and relate physically to the other people on stage. A great actor can take the same words another actor just read and turn them into a completely different character, just by the way they use their body. When people think about public speaking they mostly focus on the voice, but just like in acting the body is important too. The great speakers know how to use the voice and the body together to reinforce the messages each sends to the audience. If you want to develop your skills with voice and body, acting classes can be a great way to do that, as can training in improv.
- cperciva 14y ago
  Actors are unique in the performing arts because they "play" two instruments simultaneously Opera singers are like theatre actors except they need to make music too.
  - icegreentea 14y ago
    Body language and gesture is also important in a wide variety of musical performances. Especially since music, rhythm, dance, and body movement are all so deeply intertwined. Perhaps actors and opera singers (which would also include actors in musicals... sing, act, AND dance) might manifest these traits more obviously, but body language is important to nearly all human performance.
    - cperciva 14y ago
      As a musician (not a singer), I communicate with other musicians largely via body language, but the audience is largely oblivious to it. Only another musician -- and mostly just those who have played with me -- would understand the difference between lifting my bow 1 cm or 2 cm off the strings of my violin.
      - 14y ago
aggie 14y ago
Gesticulation helps the speaker as well. A recent thesis (unpublished) in my graduate program examined the effect of allowing a lecturer to move around and gesticulate vs. sitting still at a microphone. There were positive effects both in the viewer seeing the movement (not surprising) and, more interestingly, the lecture recorded with movement was better (subjective rating, comprehension) even when the viewer could not see the speaker.
- colinwinter 14y ago
  Very interesting, sounds similar to Amy Cuddy talking about body language affecting our mind/behavior. http://www.ted.com/talks/amy_cuddy_your_body_language_shapes_who_you_are.html http://www.ted.com/talks/amy_cuddy_your_body_language_shapes... Will you post more (the thesis) when it becomes available?
- aw3c2 14y ago
  If you can, please post the published paper to HN! It sounds very interesting and public speaking stuff seems always appreciated here.
- DirtyMonkey 14y ago
  I ran a similar, although not so scientific experiment a few years ago. I tried to pick up girls in clubs with and without gestures when I was talking to them. This was over a one month period. The actual numbers are classified, but gestures won.
  - cms07 14y ago
    I don't think 1 to 0 is really a reliable result.
doomrobo 14y ago
Anyone notice "O' Sole Mio" in the background?
hkmurakami 14y ago
One thing to be careful about, is that gesturing is something that requires cultural context. The Western cultures see gesturing as a positive thing, but Eastern cultures (from what I've seen) seem to eschew such tendencies. Blindly applying a "more gestures are better" kind of rule is likely to run into issues eventually.
- tagawa 14y ago
  Very true. Here in Japan I've been told my natural gestures when speaking enthusiastically are at risk of being overbearing, so I've had to learn to control them.
imurray 14y ago
The videos at http://videolectures.net/ http://videolectures.net/ often pick out a momentary dramatic gesture for the thumbnail image. Out of context, they sometimes seem pretty extreme. I pulled out a selection here: http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/imurray2/tmp/vl_gestures.html http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/imurray2/tmp/vl_gestures.html (I'm the last one, I believe gesturing about orthogonal vectors during an intro to machine learning.)
troels 14y ago
Would be interesting to see scans of your notes.
ihategestures 14y ago
I hate speakers who use gestures and other gimmicks. They make feel like I'm being manipulated. Sometimes I'll close my eyes and try to focus only on what's being said. Other times I'll just leave.

63 points by mapagella 14y ago

furyofantares 14y ago

Do you have an example of a talk by Zuckerberg that you find brilliant?

mapagella 14y ago
Zuckerberg being a terrible speaker (2010): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3hu3iG8B2g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3hu3iG8B2g Zuckerberg being a brilliant speaker (2011): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OQQ4E2k0Mk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OQQ4E2k0Mk Notice how he seems to be more confident and relaxed when he speaks. Unlike in the AllThingsD interview, this time he uses pauses and gestures effectively as well.
- statusgraph 14y ago
  Just to be clear, that's not Zuckerberg for the first five minutes in the 2011 video.

Snapps 14y ago

Very interesting how you went on to note various speakers – specifically how their speeches seemed so different sans gesticulation. Thanks for sharing. (That must have taken a lot of time!)

guylhem 14y ago

It reminds me of the "suggestions" given to Dwight in the Office (when has to give a public presentation in S02E07), where he's given a video of Mussolini as an example of a speaker with a great body language to emulate - so he does, and it ends up with a wild cheer from his audience. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwights_Speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwights_Speech If you haven't seen it, you should - if only to look at the arms movement and remember it's usually not a good idea to look like a fascist dictator when you give a public presentation in the real life!

mapagella 14y ago
Hah, that's a good one! I haven't seen that one. That's exactly why I insist in being careful on how you use gestures - they need to be very subtle, otherwise you'll look, like you've just said, like a fascist dictator :)
- guylhem 14y ago
  Indeed - the enthusiasm to use body gestures should be limited to a level compatible with the audience. As the author explained, it depends on the audience culture. Suggesting a liberated use of body language to a hacker audience may result in many Dwight-like performances... (good tip - don't stroke the table with your fist closed)

smacktoward 14y ago

I don't know if the important thing is gestures per se so much as it is a sense of the theatrical. Actors are unique in the performing arts because they "play" two instruments simultaneously. The first and most obvious one is their voice. But the second is their body -- how they move, carry themselves, and relate physically to the other people on stage. A great actor can take the same words another actor just read and turn them into a completely different character, just by the way they use their body. When people think about public speaking they mostly focus on the voice, but just like in acting the body is important too. The great speakers know how to use the voice and the body together to reinforce the messages each sends to the audience. If you want to develop your skills with voice and body, acting classes can be a great way to do that, as can training in improv.

cperciva 14y ago
Actors are unique in the performing arts because they "play" two instruments simultaneously Opera singers are like theatre actors except they need to make music too.
- icegreentea 14y ago
  Body language and gesture is also important in a wide variety of musical performances. Especially since music, rhythm, dance, and body movement are all so deeply intertwined. Perhaps actors and opera singers (which would also include actors in musicals... sing, act, AND dance) might manifest these traits more obviously, but body language is important to nearly all human performance.
  - cperciva 14y ago
    As a musician (not a singer), I communicate with other musicians largely via body language, but the audience is largely oblivious to it. Only another musician -- and mostly just those who have played with me -- would understand the difference between lifting my bow 1 cm or 2 cm off the strings of my violin.
    - 14y ago

aggie 14y ago

Gesticulation helps the speaker as well. A recent thesis (unpublished) in my graduate program examined the effect of allowing a lecturer to move around and gesticulate vs. sitting still at a microphone. There were positive effects both in the viewer seeing the movement (not surprising) and, more interestingly, the lecture recorded with movement was better (subjective rating, comprehension) even when the viewer could not see the speaker.

colinwinter 14y ago
Very interesting, sounds similar to Amy Cuddy talking about body language affecting our mind/behavior. http://www.ted.com/talks/amy_cuddy_your_body_language_shapes_who_you_are.html http://www.ted.com/talks/amy_cuddy_your_body_language_shapes... Will you post more (the thesis) when it becomes available?
aw3c2 14y ago
If you can, please post the published paper to HN! It sounds very interesting and public speaking stuff seems always appreciated here.
DirtyMonkey 14y ago
I ran a similar, although not so scientific experiment a few years ago. I tried to pick up girls in clubs with and without gestures when I was talking to them. This was over a one month period. The actual numbers are classified, but gestures won.
- cms07 14y ago
  I don't think 1 to 0 is really a reliable result.

doomrobo 14y ago

Anyone notice "O' Sole Mio" in the background?

hkmurakami 14y ago

One thing to be careful about, is that gesturing is something that requires cultural context. The Western cultures see gesturing as a positive thing, but Eastern cultures (from what I've seen) seem to eschew such tendencies. Blindly applying a "more gestures are better" kind of rule is likely to run into issues eventually.

tagawa 14y ago
Very true. Here in Japan I've been told my natural gestures when speaking enthusiastically are at risk of being overbearing, so I've had to learn to control them.

imurray 14y ago

The videos at http://videolectures.net/ http://videolectures.net/ often pick out a momentary dramatic gesture for the thumbnail image. Out of context, they sometimes seem pretty extreme. I pulled out a selection here: http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/imurray2/tmp/vl_gestures.html http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/imurray2/tmp/vl_gestures.html (I'm the last one, I believe gesturing about orthogonal vectors during an intro to machine learning.)

troels 14y ago

Would be interesting to see scans of your notes.

ihategestures 14y ago

I hate speakers who use gestures and other gimmicks. They make feel like I'm being manipulated. Sometimes I'll close my eyes and try to focus only on what's being said. Other times I'll just leave.