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Oman isn’t the only country in the region, and any country should expect their ships to sail peacefully. Last I checked it’s the US and Israel at war with Iran,
by ericmay 7mo ago
Oman isn’t the only country in the region, and any country should expect their ships to sail peacefully. Last I checked it’s the US and Israel at war with Iran, not others - no justification for charging transit fees.
Second, you’re ignoring decades of history and picking an arbitrary point to say that’s when some animosity started. Nobody forced Iran to build all these missiles and to try and build a nuclear weapon or kill their own people or fund actual terrorist groups as designated by the United States and European Union. If you drag out negotiations long enough you never get bombed! What a thought lol.
- Cyph0n 7mo agoFirst, look at a map. The strait is entirely contained by Omani and Iranian waters. Second, I don't have much else to say to you if you actually think that assassinating a head of state in the middle of active negotiations is anything but vile & uncivilized behavior unbecoming of a "civilized" superpower. Ultimately, this is going to be a major strategic loss for the US and Israel. They have achieved none of the goals stated at the outset of this "operation", outside of perhaps diminishing the Iranian missile manufacturing capabilities & stockpile.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago> First, look at a map. The strait is entirely contained by Omani and Iranian waters The UAE has a stake, too. > don't have much else to say to you if you actually think that assassinating a head of state in the middle of active negotiations is anything but vile & uncivilized behavior unbecoming of a "civilized" superpower This statement weakens your argument. (It's also not in line with this forum's guidleines around arguing in good faith.)
- Cyph0n 7mo agoI am not talking about stakes; I am talking about territory. Uh if you say so. Can you point me to the rule stating that I need to keep engaging in a discussion I am not interested in having?
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago> I am talking about territory Yeah. As you suggested, "look at a map." The UAE controls most of the Musandam Peninsula. > that I need to keep engaging You don't. But you also don't need to storm off.
- Cyph0n 7mo agoJust came back to this. In what world is Musandam mostly controlled by the UAE? Can you point this out on a map?
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- thaumasiotes 7mo ago> I guess Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Iraq, and Qatar don’t exist lol. They’re not just attacking ships in one tiny area - ships have to pass through bidirectionally which affects trade for everyone. Stop trying to defend this stuff. You must have a real problem with the concept of the Panama Canal.
- ericmay 7mo agoThe Panama Canal is a man-made construct and costs money to operate. How is that comparable?
- thaumasiotes 7mo agoIt's comparable in that it's a nearly-identical construct that functions in an actually-identical way. Constructing the Strait of Hormuz was cheaper than constructing the Panama Canal.† That doesn't change anything about the fact that it exists. † Cheaper in an abstract sense. In a more literal sense, the tolling authority, Panama, didn't have to pay for the canal; it was built by the United States.
- ericmay 7mo ago> Constructing the Strait of Hormuz Who dug it up?
- thaumasiotes 7mo agoThink of it as reflecting the will of God.
- dante54 7mo agoThis is very rich given that the US, is the only country to use nukes, and Israel has illegal nukes and wont even accept inspection. Nobody charged anyone to cross a strait until your pedophile leaders decided to kill a head of state and bomb a school full of children
- FpUser 7mo ago>"Nobody forced Iran to build all these missiles and to try and build a nuclear weapon or kill their own people or fund actual terrorist groups" Sounds exactly like the US with the exception that they prefer to kill other people, not their own.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago> Nobody forced Iran to build all these missiles and to try and build a nuclear weapon or kill their own people or fund actual terrorist groups as designated by the United States and European Union Iran has absolutely run its strategy as a basket case. But proxies aside (which is a big aside), they were fairly self contained until we started hitting them. At least this time around.
- Cyph0n 7mo agoFairly self contained is an understatement. They proved time and again over the course of the past few years that they were not only pragmatic, but also a much more rational actor than Israel and the US.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago> They proved time and again over the course of the past few years that they were not only pragmatic, but also a much more rational actor than Israel and the US When? When they drip fed Hezbollah's missiles into Israel's air defences? When they left their ships in port to get bombed? When they convened an in-person meeting at the Supreme Leader's residence? When they didn't even reprimand Hamas after October 7th? Iran has acted according to its regime's interests. But I wouldn't say they prosecuted their goals rationally, pragmatically or even particularly effectively.
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- modo_mario 7mo ago>and any country should expect their ships to sail peacefully Tbf the US seized plenty of theirs, others and such. >Last I checked it’s the US and Israel at war with Iran, not others The US bases and provided landing spots and ports, etc kind of speak otherwise and they don't have other ways of getting money from the US I believe.
- ericmay 7mo agoThey’re still not getting money from the US. Those aren’t American ships sailing through the Strait. Striking military bases is legitimate morally though Iran’s “government” should just surrender and turn themselves in, but it doesn’t provide justification for launching indiscriminate strikes against other countries.