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so ipv6 is now a social justice issue? I'll send you the $2 a month for a elastic IP .

by tonymet 7mo ago

BenjiWiebe 7mo ago
Can I have it on my home network connection for $2/month? I could do VPS+VPN, but that's another company to deal with, another bill to pay, and several more things to break. And more latency too.
orangeboats 7mo ago
What about you send $2 to the people in India and China who can't get a public IPv4 address then?
- tonymet 7mo ago
  They don’t need one. They have CGNAT
  - orangeboats 7mo ago
    Got it. So they are subhumans who shouldn't get a public IP anyway.
    - tonymet 7mo ago
      It's a shame you feel that way
      - orangeboats 7mo ago
        Unfortunately it's you who feels that way. Because you never realized that third world countries are being hurt by IPv4 address space depletion. The lack of self awareness is appalling.
        tonymet 6mo ago
        that’s inappropriate. Speak for yourself. It’s also hyperbolic.
throw0101d 7mo ago
> so ipv6 is now a social justice issue? I'll send you the $2 a month for a elastic IP . And the billion people in India? The billion in China? The billion on the continent of Africa? And even in the US: > Our [American Indian] tribal network started out IPv6, but soon learned we had to somehow support IPv4 only traffic. It took almost 11 months in order to get a small amount of IPv4 addresses allocated for this use. In fact there were only enough addresses to cover maybe 1% of population. So we were forced to create a very expensive proxy/translation server in order to support this traffic. > We learned a very expensive lesson. 71% of the IPv4 traffic we were supporting was from ROKU devices. 9% coming from DishNetwork & DirectTV satellite tuners, 11% from HomeSecurity cameras and systems, and remaining 9% we replaced extremely outdated Point of Sale(POS) equipment. So we cut ROKU some slack three years ago by spending a little over $300k just to support their devices. * https://community.roku.com/t5/Features-settings-updates/It-s-2022-and-still-no-IPv6/m-p/854673/highlight/true#M35732 https://community.roku.com/t5/Features-settings-updates/It-s... * Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35047624 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35047624 It's okay for the folks that got in early on the IPv4 address gold rush to tell them "fuck you, we got ours"?
- tonymet 7mo ago
  “Got in early” vs “invented it”?
  - throw0101d 7mo ago
    > “Got in early” vs “invented it”? PSINet/Cogent got 38/8 in 1994: did they invent it? Ford got 19/8 in 1995: how about them? How many places and people/companies didn't have the ability to go to a RIR in the 1990s or 2000s and get an allocation because their local infrastructure (power, telecom) wasn't developed at the time? So because they got computers, fibre, smartphones later they're SOL?
    - tonymet 7mo ago
      They sponsored it

so ipv6 is now a social justice issue? I'll send you the $2 a month for a elastic IP .

by tonymet 7mo ago

so ipv6 is now a social justice issue? I'll send you the $2 a month for a elastic IP .

Can I have it on my home network connection for $2/month? I could do VPS+VPN, but that's another company to deal with, another bill to pay, and several more things to break. And more latency too.

orangeboats 7mo ago

What about you send $2 to the people in India and China who can't get a public IPv4 address then?

tonymet 7mo ago
They don’t need one. They have CGNAT
- orangeboats 7mo ago
  Got it. So they are subhumans who shouldn't get a public IP anyway.
  - tonymet 7mo ago
    It's a shame you feel that way
    - orangeboats 7mo ago
      Unfortunately it's you who feels that way. Because you never realized that third world countries are being hurt by IPv4 address space depletion. The lack of self awareness is appalling.
      - tonymet 6mo ago
        that’s inappropriate. Speak for yourself. It’s also hyperbolic.

throw0101d 7mo ago

> so ipv6 is now a social justice issue? I'll send you the $2 a month for a elastic IP . And the billion people in India? The billion in China? The billion on the continent of Africa? And even in the US: > Our [American Indian] tribal network started out IPv6, but soon learned we had to somehow support IPv4 only traffic. It took almost 11 months in order to get a small amount of IPv4 addresses allocated for this use. In fact there were only enough addresses to cover maybe 1% of population. So we were forced to create a very expensive proxy/translation server in order to support this traffic. > We learned a very expensive lesson. 71% of the IPv4 traffic we were supporting was from ROKU devices. 9% coming from DishNetwork & DirectTV satellite tuners, 11% from HomeSecurity cameras and systems, and remaining 9% we replaced extremely outdated Point of Sale(POS) equipment. So we cut ROKU some slack three years ago by spending a little over $300k just to support their devices. * https://community.roku.com/t5/Features-settings-updates/It-s-2022-and-still-no-IPv6/m-p/854673/highlight/true#M35732 https://community.roku.com/t5/Features-settings-updates/It-s... * Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35047624 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35047624 It's okay for the folks that got in early on the IPv4 address gold rush to tell them "fuck you, we got ours"?

tonymet 7mo ago
“Got in early” vs “invented it”?
- throw0101d 7mo ago
  > “Got in early” vs “invented it”? PSINet/Cogent got 38/8 in 1994: did they invent it? Ford got 19/8 in 1995: how about them? How many places and people/companies didn't have the ability to go to a RIR in the 1990s or 2000s and get an allocation because their local infrastructure (power, telecom) wasn't developed at the time? So because they got computers, fibre, smartphones later they're SOL?
  - tonymet 7mo ago
    They sponsored it