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> Detroit is not as strong as any of these cities or metro areas with regard to higher education That wasn’t your first claim, you’ve moved the goalposts. You

> Detroit is not as strong as any of these cities or metro areas with regard to higher education That wasn’t your first claim, you’ve moved the goalposts. You claimed Detroit has “limited access to higher education”. I never meant to imply Detroit is as good as Boston or SF or the other cities you mentioned, only to point out how ridiculous it is to claim that Detroit doesn’t have some very high quality universities nearby. I didn’t get into Wayne State, MSU, Michigan Tech, Lawrence Tech, UofM Dearborn, or Kettering either, but there are plenty of mid-to-high tier universities close by. “Limited access to higher education” is a flatly ridiculous claim.

bpt3 7mo ago
I'm not moving the goalposts. I said Detroit has limited access to higher education. I said that because schools like Wayne State, Detroit Mercy, etc. are not noteworthy and the closest "good" school (UM) is 45 miles away. None of those facts have changed. You're the one trying to poke random holes in my claim in what appears to be an attempt to defend Detroit (there are none, because it's based in the objective fact that Detroit has less to offer than many, if not most, other large cities in that area by any metric), and now are saying I'm moving the goalposts when I address your generally inaccurate statements. To be clear, both the city of Detroit and its metro area offer less access to quality higher education than many other major cities in the US. It is limited in that regard, especially since this program isn't trying to entice people to move to the general metro area. It wants people to move to the city.
- ninkendo 7mo ago
  Your argument started with “limited access to education” and is now “yeah but the only good school is UM”. If your standards are “must be more than one top-25-in-the-world university in commuting distance”, then like, maybe 2-3 cities in the US qualify for this. Nobody’s saying Detroit is in the top 5 cities in the US for higher education. But there (1) is a world class university 45 minutes away and (2) many many “pretty darn good” universities nearby as well. Even though you consider them “not noteworthy”. Detroit punches above its weight for higher education when looking at similar sized cities.
  - bpt3 7mo ago
    Again, it is limited in comparison to most other cities its size in the US. Saying it punches above its weight because Wayne State is there and UM is 45 miles away is delusional. DC, Baltimore, Boston, and Atlanta are all around the same size and blow Detroit out of the water. Not to mention the metro areas that are around the same size, which you have to include to count UM. You can continue to lie to yourself all you want, but Detroit is not attracting many people to the city with its higher education opportunities.

bpt3 7mo ago

I'm not moving the goalposts. I said Detroit has limited access to higher education. I said that because schools like Wayne State, Detroit Mercy, etc. are not noteworthy and the closest "good" school (UM) is 45 miles away. None of those facts have changed. You're the one trying to poke random holes in my claim in what appears to be an attempt to defend Detroit (there are none, because it's based in the objective fact that Detroit has less to offer than many, if not most, other large cities in that area by any metric), and now are saying I'm moving the goalposts when I address your generally inaccurate statements. To be clear, both the city of Detroit and its metro area offer less access to quality higher education than many other major cities in the US. It is limited in that regard, especially since this program isn't trying to entice people to move to the general metro area. It wants people to move to the city.

ninkendo 7mo ago
Your argument started with “limited access to education” and is now “yeah but the only good school is UM”. If your standards are “must be more than one top-25-in-the-world university in commuting distance”, then like, maybe 2-3 cities in the US qualify for this. Nobody’s saying Detroit is in the top 5 cities in the US for higher education. But there (1) is a world class university 45 minutes away and (2) many many “pretty darn good” universities nearby as well. Even though you consider them “not noteworthy”. Detroit punches above its weight for higher education when looking at similar sized cities.
- bpt3 7mo ago
  Again, it is limited in comparison to most other cities its size in the US. Saying it punches above its weight because Wayne State is there and UM is 45 miles away is delusional. DC, Baltimore, Boston, and Atlanta are all around the same size and blow Detroit out of the water. Not to mention the metro areas that are around the same size, which you have to include to count UM. You can continue to lie to yourself all you want, but Detroit is not attracting many people to the city with its higher education opportunities.