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I didn't say it has to be within city limits, though I would say access is a selling point. Cambridge is a couple miles from Boston proper and they are tightly

by bpt3 6mo ago

I didn't say it has to be within city limits, though I would say access is a selling point. Cambridge is a couple miles from Boston proper and they are tightly integrated, plus BU, BC, and Tufts are in the city. CMU and Pitt are in Pittsburgh. Penn is in Philly (which I didn't list originally), along with other good but less prestigious schools, some excellent schools in the inner suburbs, and Princeton is just as far away as Ann Arbor. NY has NYU, Columbia, plus others nearby. Georgetown is in DC and UMD is a couple miles over the border and accessible via metro. Chicago has UChicago in the city and Northwestern close by. LA has USC, CalTech, and UCLA within a closer distance than UM, and SF has Cal nearby and Stanford further out. If you want to count UM for Detroit, you have to count all of those schools for their respective cities. Detroit is not as strong as any of these cities or metro areas with regard to higher education. You can get as defensive and incredulous as you want, but no reasonable person is going to argue otherwise. The fact that UM is 45 miles away isn't going to make a lot of people choose to live in Detroit proper.

ninkendo 6mo ago
> Detroit is not as strong as any of these cities or metro areas with regard to higher education That wasn’t your first claim, you’ve moved the goalposts. You claimed Detroit has “limited access to higher education”. I never meant to imply Detroit is as good as Boston or SF or the other cities you mentioned, only to point out how ridiculous it is to claim that Detroit doesn’t have some very high quality universities nearby. I didn’t get into Wayne State, MSU, Michigan Tech, Lawrence Tech, UofM Dearborn, or Kettering either, but there are plenty of mid-to-high tier universities close by. “Limited access to higher education” is a flatly ridiculous claim.
- bpt3 6mo ago
  I'm not moving the goalposts. I said Detroit has limited access to higher education. I said that because schools like Wayne State, Detroit Mercy, etc. are not noteworthy and the closest "good" school (UM) is 45 miles away. None of those facts have changed. You're the one trying to poke random holes in my claim in what appears to be an attempt to defend Detroit (there are none, because it's based in the objective fact that Detroit has less to offer than many, if not most, other large cities in that area by any metric), and now are saying I'm moving the goalposts when I address your generally inaccurate statements. To be clear, both the city of Detroit and its metro area offer less access to quality higher education than many other major cities in the US. It is limited in that regard, especially since this program isn't trying to entice people to move to the general metro area. It wants people to move to the city.
  - ninkendo 6mo ago
    Your argument started with “limited access to education” and is now “yeah but the only good school is UM”. If your standards are “must be more than one top-25-in-the-world university in commuting distance”, then like, maybe 2-3 cities in the US qualify for this. Nobody’s saying Detroit is in the top 5 cities in the US for higher education. But there (1) is a world class university 45 minutes away and (2) many many “pretty darn good” universities nearby as well. Even though you consider them “not noteworthy”. Detroit punches above its weight for higher education when looking at similar sized cities.
    - bpt3 6mo ago
      Again, it is limited in comparison to most other cities its size in the US. Saying it punches above its weight because Wayne State is there and UM is 45 miles away is delusional. DC, Baltimore, Boston, and Atlanta are all around the same size and blow Detroit out of the water. Not to mention the metro areas that are around the same size, which you have to include to count UM. You can continue to lie to yourself all you want, but Detroit is not attracting many people to the city with its higher education opportunities.
kjkjadksj 6mo ago
It could be a 45 min drive between ucla and usc. Caltech even longer maybe over an hour from ucla.
- bpt3 6mo ago
  Doesn't matter. UCLA is 16 miles from downtown LA, CalTech is about 13 miles. I had to look it up because of the now multiple Detroit apologists who are acting like Brentwood is on the moon and Pasadena is on Mars to make sure I wasn't completely losing my mind. UM is 43 miles from downtown Detroit, and there isn't some sort of express route guaranteed to be traffic-free that you can take to get there. Like I said before, that's about the same distance from Philly to Princeton, and no one is talking about how essential Princeton is to the city of Philadelphia. I get that it's somewhat different, but it's also not that different. Detroit lags behind most major US cities (including many that are smaller) when it comes to higher education. I'm not bashing the city when I say that, it's just a fact.
  - kjkjadksj 6mo ago
    The difference is 96 in detroit is moving at 60mph pretty much all times of the day. You don’t reach those speeds in socal until like 9pm.
    - bpt3 6mo ago
      And it still doesn't matter because the point is that there is much better access to higher education and its ancillary benefits in LA, not that a commute that no one has any reason to make is longer at times than it would take on average to reach the best university in the Detroit metro area.

by bpt3 6mo ago

ninkendo 6mo ago

> Detroit is not as strong as any of these cities or metro areas with regard to higher education That wasn’t your first claim, you’ve moved the goalposts. You claimed Detroit has “limited access to higher education”. I never meant to imply Detroit is as good as Boston or SF or the other cities you mentioned, only to point out how ridiculous it is to claim that Detroit doesn’t have some very high quality universities nearby. I didn’t get into Wayne State, MSU, Michigan Tech, Lawrence Tech, UofM Dearborn, or Kettering either, but there are plenty of mid-to-high tier universities close by. “Limited access to higher education” is a flatly ridiculous claim.

bpt3 6mo ago
I'm not moving the goalposts. I said Detroit has limited access to higher education. I said that because schools like Wayne State, Detroit Mercy, etc. are not noteworthy and the closest "good" school (UM) is 45 miles away. None of those facts have changed. You're the one trying to poke random holes in my claim in what appears to be an attempt to defend Detroit (there are none, because it's based in the objective fact that Detroit has less to offer than many, if not most, other large cities in that area by any metric), and now are saying I'm moving the goalposts when I address your generally inaccurate statements. To be clear, both the city of Detroit and its metro area offer less access to quality higher education than many other major cities in the US. It is limited in that regard, especially since this program isn't trying to entice people to move to the general metro area. It wants people to move to the city.
- ninkendo 6mo ago
  Your argument started with “limited access to education” and is now “yeah but the only good school is UM”. If your standards are “must be more than one top-25-in-the-world university in commuting distance”, then like, maybe 2-3 cities in the US qualify for this. Nobody’s saying Detroit is in the top 5 cities in the US for higher education. But there (1) is a world class university 45 minutes away and (2) many many “pretty darn good” universities nearby as well. Even though you consider them “not noteworthy”. Detroit punches above its weight for higher education when looking at similar sized cities.
  - bpt3 6mo ago
    Again, it is limited in comparison to most other cities its size in the US. Saying it punches above its weight because Wayne State is there and UM is 45 miles away is delusional. DC, Baltimore, Boston, and Atlanta are all around the same size and blow Detroit out of the water. Not to mention the metro areas that are around the same size, which you have to include to count UM. You can continue to lie to yourself all you want, but Detroit is not attracting many people to the city with its higher education opportunities.

kjkjadksj 6mo ago

It could be a 45 min drive between ucla and usc. Caltech even longer maybe over an hour from ucla.

bpt3 6mo ago
Doesn't matter. UCLA is 16 miles from downtown LA, CalTech is about 13 miles. I had to look it up because of the now multiple Detroit apologists who are acting like Brentwood is on the moon and Pasadena is on Mars to make sure I wasn't completely losing my mind. UM is 43 miles from downtown Detroit, and there isn't some sort of express route guaranteed to be traffic-free that you can take to get there. Like I said before, that's about the same distance from Philly to Princeton, and no one is talking about how essential Princeton is to the city of Philadelphia. I get that it's somewhat different, but it's also not that different. Detroit lags behind most major US cities (including many that are smaller) when it comes to higher education. I'm not bashing the city when I say that, it's just a fact.
- kjkjadksj 6mo ago
  The difference is 96 in detroit is moving at 60mph pretty much all times of the day. You don’t reach those speeds in socal until like 9pm.
  - bpt3 6mo ago
    And it still doesn't matter because the point is that there is much better access to higher education and its ancillary benefits in LA, not that a commute that no one has any reason to make is longer at times than it would take on average to reach the best university in the Detroit metro area.