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What is even the point of all the flip flopping if there’s ongoing talks? I feel like the doesn’t put any real pressure on Iran, but I may be uninformed.
by saladdays 6mo ago
What is even the point of all the flip flopping if there’s ongoing talks? I feel like the doesn’t put any real pressure on Iran, but I may be uninformed.
- zb3 6mo agoMarket manipulation..
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- rasz 6mo agoThere are no talks.
- le-mark 6mo agoTrump is cornered. There is no “winning” this for him. Expect Iran to get some major concessions that Trump will talk up as win.
- loloquwowndueo 6mo agoAll he does is flip flop. Was the same with tariffs against everyone last year - he kept backing off at the last moment.
- joshgachnang 6mo agoAmusing that it's on a Tuesday again. TACO (Trump Always Chickens Out) Tuesday.
- moralestapia 6mo agoHelp me understand. Isn't it a good thing that Iran wasn't blown to pieces?
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- loloquwowndueo 6mo agoWhat in anything parent said makes you think it’s not a good thing?
- fullshark 6mo agoCalling someone a chicken is seen as derogatory.
- loloquwowndueo 6mo agoI too would take issue with being compared with that guy if i were a chicken.
- ceejayoz 6mo agoYes. But it’s still bad that the US threatened a genocide this morning.
- ghywertelling 6mo agoYes, markets weren't taking his "normal" market manipulation tweets seriously, so he had to go hyperbolic with the NUKE tweet. I am definitely sure Trump is not serious. That's why Iran said we will continue this discussion with complete distrust.
- Eufrat 6mo agoThere are no talks or anything. Iran has no incentive to negotiate with a party as unreliable as the US is under Trump. I would literally negotiate with a dead opossum before I would continue to negotiate with Witkoff and Kushner. I mean, as much as I don’t like the Iranian government, put yourselves in their position. You have the US and Israel literally leveling the equivalent of Balfour or the White House and taking out other government officials in a decapitation strike that failed, but killed off all of the moderates. The government is then replaced by hardliners who see this attack as existential. You have little to lose at this point, so you go for broke. Since the US seems unwilling to put boots on the ground, cannot form a coherent reason for any of this and is lead by a man who is unable to accept that he can commit errors, it degrades into a war of attrition and, in the case of Trump, influence peddling since it is clear that Israel and the Saudis would like to see Iran wiped off the map and all Trump cares about is how he can internalize it as yet another reason why he is a victim and entitled to the Nobel Peace Prize. IMHO, I think there is tremendous pressure to, at the very least restore the Strait of Hormuz as an international waterway not subject to Iranian control or tolling, but that’s an after-the-fact thing. I think Trump simply thought it would be an easy win and play well on TV. I suspect what will happen is the US pays a massive indemnity/bribe to Iran, Iran agrees to not contest control of the Strait of Hormuz and the US looks like morons which Trump will internalize as a win that nobody will believe except himself.
- dinkumthinkum 6mo agoWhen you use words like "decapitation strike that failed, but killed off all of the moderates," what do those words mean to you? With all due respect, I don't really get the Internet brain way of thinking of things. What decapitation failed? I guess, if you mean, there are still Islamic Revolution people in charge, I still can't see the point. When you say "failed" that would imply that they were literally attempting to kill literally every single member of the government at once. I don't think anyone serious would think that. Also, "failed?" I can't recall ever a decapitation happening so swiftly or so massively within the first few hours of a conflict. Also, the meat of what I wanted respond to was this idea of "killing the moderates." I get that most people here think the West and America is evil or whatever but the idea the Ayatollah and top members of the IRGC were moderate is just an affront to morality. The same people think that Trump is Hitler for doing things that 90s Democrats agreed with (even ones currently serving), would hold vigils for a truly monstrous regime. This is like some Billie Eilish "no one is illegal on stolen land" type stuff. We are talking about brutal executions for no reason at all.
- Aloisius 6mo agoTo manipulate the price of oil.
- ourmandave 6mo agoBut only some sort of sociopath would upend the world just to make a buck. Esp if they're already a billionaire with literally hundreds of other conflicts of interest.
- jacquesm 6mo ago> But only some sort of sociopath would upend the world just to make a buck. You may be on to something there.
- p4coder 6mo agoI am guessing that the Oman's share Homruz fees will also shared with Trump businesses (via loss making investments, or another plane etc)
- kumarvvr 6mo agoMarket manipulation. Although, it seems like the markets have started to get a sense of this as well and are not so swaying.