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I was vacationing! What's up with OpenAI now? Asking with some morbid curiosity tbh.

by vitosartori 6mo ago

binarymax 6mo ago
Codex switched to paid API tokens only. Not to mention their alignment with the department of war.
- winterqt 6mo ago
  > Codex switched to paid API tokens only. They’re still doing subscriptions: https://developers.openai.com/codex/pricing https://developers.openai.com/codex/pricing
  - bachmeier 6mo ago
    I'm happy I invested in setting up Codex CLI and getting it to work with ollama. For the toughest jobs I can use Github Copilot (free as an academic) or Gemini CLI. If we see the per token price increase 5x or 10x as these companies move to focusing on revenue, local models will be the way to go, so long as stuff like Gemma 4 keeps getting released.
- andai 6mo ago
  Can you give context for the API thing? Edit: Looks like it still works with subs, they just measure usage per token instead of per message.
- margalabargala 6mo ago
  That's not true. There was a headline saying they were, and the actual article showed they were doing nothingbof the sort. If you read HN headlines, and don't even bother to click into the comments and see everyone calling out the headline as bogus, you might think something like your statement is true.
feature20260213 6mo ago
Nothing, Effective Altruist dweebs realizing that the world isn't their psychology experiment.
dyauspitr 6mo ago
As a person that hasn’t used Claude code before, I’ve been using OpenAI’s Codex and it is pretty amazing. I wonder how much more amazing Claude is.
- Someone1234 6mo ago
  Both are great, where they differ is: Claude Code has a better instinct than Codex. Meaning it will naturally produce things like you, the developer, would have. Codex shines really well at what I call "hard problems." You set thinking high, and you just let it throw raw power at the problem. Whereas, Claude Code is better at your average day-to-day "write me code" tasks. So the difference is kind of nuanced. You kind of need to use both a while to get a real sense of it.
  - mchusma 6mo ago
    I think the way I and others use it is code with clause, review or bug hunt with codex. Then I pass the review back to Claude for implementation. Works well. Better than codex implementation and finds gaps versus using Claude to review itself in my opinion.
Someone1234 6mo ago
Codex just changed the way they calculate usage with a massive negative impact. Before a Subscription was the cheapest way to gain Codex usage, but now they've essentially having API and Subscription pricing match (e.g. $200 sub = $200 in API Codex usage). The only value of a subscription now is that you get the web version of ChatGPT "free." In terms of raw Codex usage, you could just as easily buy API usage. edit: This is currently rolled out for Enterprise, but is coming to Pro/Plus soon. The people below saying "I haven't had this issue" haven't yet*.
- postalcoder 6mo ago
  This is not true. The change applies to the credits, ie the incremental usage that exceeds your subscription limits.
  - Someone1234 6mo ago
    OpenAI's own help page suggests otherwise.
- embedding-shape 6mo ago
  > e.g. $200 sub = $200 in API Codex usage [...] In terms of raw Codex usage, you could just as easily buy API usage. I don't think it's made out like that, I'm on the ChatGPT Pro plan for personal usage, and for a client I'm using the OpenAI API, both almost only using GPT 5.4 xhigh, done pretty much 50/50 work on client/personal projects, and clients API usage is up to 400 USD right now after a week of work, and ChatGPT Pro limit has 61% left, resets tomorrow. Still seems to me you'd get a heck more out of the subscription than API credits.
  - nickthegreek 6mo ago
    ChatGPT Personal Pro plan hasnt had the change yet. It is rolling out to Enterprise users first.
  - Archit3ch 6mo ago
    This. ChatGPT Pro personal at $20/month and using GPT 5.4 xhigh is the best deal currently. I don't know if they are actually losing money or betting on people staying well under limits. Clearly they charge extra to businesses on the API plans to make up for it. In the future, open models and cheaper inference could cover the loss-leading strategies we see today.
Izkata 6mo ago
I believe the first part is referring to these: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47186677 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47186677 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47199948 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47199948

I was vacationing! What's up with OpenAI now? Asking with some morbid curiosity tbh.

binarymax 6mo ago

Codex switched to paid API tokens only. Not to mention their alignment with the department of war.

winterqt 6mo ago
> Codex switched to paid API tokens only. They’re still doing subscriptions: https://developers.openai.com/codex/pricing https://developers.openai.com/codex/pricing
- bachmeier 6mo ago
  I'm happy I invested in setting up Codex CLI and getting it to work with ollama. For the toughest jobs I can use Github Copilot (free as an academic) or Gemini CLI. If we see the per token price increase 5x or 10x as these companies move to focusing on revenue, local models will be the way to go, so long as stuff like Gemma 4 keeps getting released.
andai 6mo ago
Can you give context for the API thing? Edit: Looks like it still works with subs, they just measure usage per token instead of per message.
margalabargala 6mo ago
That's not true. There was a headline saying they were, and the actual article showed they were doing nothingbof the sort. If you read HN headlines, and don't even bother to click into the comments and see everyone calling out the headline as bogus, you might think something like your statement is true.

feature20260213 6mo ago

Nothing, Effective Altruist dweebs realizing that the world isn't their psychology experiment.

dyauspitr 6mo ago

As a person that hasn’t used Claude code before, I’ve been using OpenAI’s Codex and it is pretty amazing. I wonder how much more amazing Claude is.

Someone1234 6mo ago
Both are great, where they differ is: Claude Code has a better instinct than Codex. Meaning it will naturally produce things like you, the developer, would have. Codex shines really well at what I call "hard problems." You set thinking high, and you just let it throw raw power at the problem. Whereas, Claude Code is better at your average day-to-day "write me code" tasks. So the difference is kind of nuanced. You kind of need to use both a while to get a real sense of it.
- mchusma 6mo ago
  I think the way I and others use it is code with clause, review or bug hunt with codex. Then I pass the review back to Claude for implementation. Works well. Better than codex implementation and finds gaps versus using Claude to review itself in my opinion.

Someone1234 6mo ago

Codex just changed the way they calculate usage with a massive negative impact. Before a Subscription was the cheapest way to gain Codex usage, but now they've essentially having API and Subscription pricing match (e.g. $200 sub = $200 in API Codex usage). The only value of a subscription now is that you get the web version of ChatGPT "free." In terms of raw Codex usage, you could just as easily buy API usage. edit: This is currently rolled out for Enterprise, but is coming to Pro/Plus soon. The people below saying "I haven't had this issue" haven't yet*.

postalcoder 6mo ago
This is not true. The change applies to the credits, ie the incremental usage that exceeds your subscription limits.
- Someone1234 6mo ago
  OpenAI's own help page suggests otherwise.
embedding-shape 6mo ago
> e.g. $200 sub = $200 in API Codex usage [...] In terms of raw Codex usage, you could just as easily buy API usage. I don't think it's made out like that, I'm on the ChatGPT Pro plan for personal usage, and for a client I'm using the OpenAI API, both almost only using GPT 5.4 xhigh, done pretty much 50/50 work on client/personal projects, and clients API usage is up to 400 USD right now after a week of work, and ChatGPT Pro limit has 61% left, resets tomorrow. Still seems to me you'd get a heck more out of the subscription than API credits.
- nickthegreek 6mo ago
  ChatGPT Personal Pro plan hasnt had the change yet. It is rolling out to Enterprise users first.
- Archit3ch 6mo ago
  This. ChatGPT Pro personal at $20/month and using GPT 5.4 xhigh is the best deal currently. I don't know if they are actually losing money or betting on people staying well under limits. Clearly they charge extra to businesses on the API plans to make up for it. In the future, open models and cheaper inference could cover the loss-leading strategies we see today.

Izkata 6mo ago

I believe the first part is referring to these: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47186677 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47186677 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47199948 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47199948