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> That said, the issue for many is autonomy Your right to swing a fist ends where the other fella's nose begins. That doesn't mean you aren't free, it just me

> That said, the issue for many is autonomy Your right to swing a fist ends where the other fella's nose begins. That doesn't mean you aren't free, it just means you recognize that the right not to suffer grievous bodily harm trumps the right to swing your fist willy-nilly. As a fist-swinger you may not always agree, and you may even get hurt one day because you couldn't swing your fist whenever you wanted, but that's just the cost of living in a world filled with other human beings.

ifyoubuildit 6mo ago
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- mapontosevenths 6mo ago
  I appreciate why you might feel that way. It's reasonable for reasonable people to disagree, but in this case the experts we trust to decide these things decided that you were the one who presented a danger to society. I seriously doubt that you have the sort of medical credentials that would be required to get any serious person to take your word over those of the world class epidemiologists, virologists, etc who said the opposite. Regardless of correctness though, even if they'd been wrong it's just part of life that sometimes you have to go along to get along. There are a lot of things I disagree with society about, but I depend on society to live. It would childish to try not to participate.
  - ifyoubuildit 6mo ago
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    - staticassertion 6mo ago
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      - ifyoubuildit 6mo ago
        You can at least draw a somewhat tortured connection between "anti vaccine" and opting out of receiving a specific vaccine (for logical reasons, with your doctors approval, though are they even a real doctor if they approved such a thing?). But using the word "jab" or criticising the medical industry making you anti vaccine is the kind of thing I was talking about when I mentioned literacy. The vibe you're getting is that I'm blaspheming. I'm saying things that probably hundreds of millions, possibly even billions of marketing dollars were spent to discourage being said.
        staticassertion 6mo ago
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        ifyoubuildit 6mo ago
        No, all I have to do to make it clear is say "I'm not opposed to vaccines as some kind of principle, ideological or otherwise", and then you can either believe me or not. That's what anti vaccine means, despite all the efforts to redefine it. It doesn't mean "won't recite the marketing materials for a specific pharmaceutical product when prompted".
        staticassertion 6mo ago
        It sounds like you don't want to say that you think vaccines are generally safe. So, I'm going to go ahead and call you an anti-vaxxer.
        ifyoubuildit 6mo ago
        Generally safe is meaningless in this context. That's not a reasonable way to talk about entire classes of drugs. All that matters is for a given person with a given medical history and context, does the specific drug have a net benefit. Here's a good test case: have you had the rabies vaccine? If not, does that make you an antivaxxer? How about vaccines that have been pulled off the market? Are those no longer vaccines? Something reasonable to say would be there are vaccines that have a net benefit, and you should take those if that applies to your situation. This whole "say the slogan or you're an antivaxxer" is like giving kids the nontoxic glue because you know some of them are going to eat it. The adults in the room don't need this shit.

ifyoubuildit 6mo ago

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mapontosevenths 6mo ago
I appreciate why you might feel that way. It's reasonable for reasonable people to disagree, but in this case the experts we trust to decide these things decided that you were the one who presented a danger to society. I seriously doubt that you have the sort of medical credentials that would be required to get any serious person to take your word over those of the world class epidemiologists, virologists, etc who said the opposite. Regardless of correctness though, even if they'd been wrong it's just part of life that sometimes you have to go along to get along. There are a lot of things I disagree with society about, but I depend on society to live. It would childish to try not to participate.
- ifyoubuildit 6mo ago
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  - staticassertion 6mo ago
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    - ifyoubuildit 6mo ago
      You can at least draw a somewhat tortured connection between "anti vaccine" and opting out of receiving a specific vaccine (for logical reasons, with your doctors approval, though are they even a real doctor if they approved such a thing?). But using the word "jab" or criticising the medical industry making you anti vaccine is the kind of thing I was talking about when I mentioned literacy. The vibe you're getting is that I'm blaspheming. I'm saying things that probably hundreds of millions, possibly even billions of marketing dollars were spent to discourage being said.
      - staticassertion 6mo ago
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        ifyoubuildit 6mo ago
        No, all I have to do to make it clear is say "I'm not opposed to vaccines as some kind of principle, ideological or otherwise", and then you can either believe me or not. That's what anti vaccine means, despite all the efforts to redefine it. It doesn't mean "won't recite the marketing materials for a specific pharmaceutical product when prompted".
        staticassertion 6mo ago
        It sounds like you don't want to say that you think vaccines are generally safe. So, I'm going to go ahead and call you an anti-vaxxer.
        ifyoubuildit 6mo ago
        Generally safe is meaningless in this context. That's not a reasonable way to talk about entire classes of drugs. All that matters is for a given person with a given medical history and context, does the specific drug have a net benefit. Here's a good test case: have you had the rabies vaccine? If not, does that make you an antivaxxer? How about vaccines that have been pulled off the market? Are those no longer vaccines? Something reasonable to say would be there are vaccines that have a net benefit, and you should take those if that applies to your situation. This whole "say the slogan or you're an antivaxxer" is like giving kids the nontoxic glue because you know some of them are going to eat it. The adults in the room don't need this shit.