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Kinda reminds me of the story of king Croesus of Lydia, who asked the oracle of Delphi whether he should wage war against Cyrus the Great, the Oracle promptly t

Kinda reminds me of the story of king Croesus of Lydia, who asked the oracle of Delphi whether he should wage war against Cyrus the Great, the Oracle promptly told him that by doing so he would "destroy a great empire". Croesus then promptly attacked the Persians and lost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croesus#War_against_Persia_and_defeat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croesus#War_against_Persia_and...

johnbarron 6mo ago
After Israel, Iran is home to the second largest Jewish population in the Middle East. Current estimates are that 15,000 to 20,000 Jews live in Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews
- AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
  That’s not even a little correct there’s 100s of thousands more in Palestine than Iran Like you just posted a straight up lie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_city https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_city
  - mongol 6mo ago
    Palestine doesn't exist, from Israel's point of view. To accuse parent of lying is taking it much too far
  - johnbarron 6mo ago
    To clarify, the quote comes directly from the Wikipedia article on Iranian Jews [1], which cites a BBC source [2]. The phrasing is "After Israel, it is home to the second-largest Jewish population in the Middle East." The links you posted actually support my point rather than refute it. The "Jewish population by country" page lists Iran at 8,500–20,000. Palestine is not listed as a separate entry with a larger Jewish population. You may be referring to Israeli settlers in the West Bank, but those individuals are Israeli citizens counted under Israel's population in every demographic source I'm aware of. Counting them under "Palestine" would require simultaneously recognizing Palestine as a sovereign state while attributing Israeli citizens to it, which no standard demographic dataset does. If you have a source that counts a Jewish population in a recognized state called Palestine that exceeds Iran, I'd genuinely be interested to see it. But calling a direct Wikipedia/BBC citation a "straight up lie" is a strong claim that should probably come with a stronger source and also shows, you arrive with an ulterior agenda, that I at least, do not have. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm
    - AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
      Your “source” is 20 years old
      - johnbarron 6mo ago
        Your “source” is non existing, that is why you did not answer my question.
    - deleted 6mo ago
      [deleted]
- srean 6mo ago
  Tehran to this day hosts Dr. Sapir Hospital and Charity Center, a Jewish charity hospital, the largest charity among the religious minorities in Iran. Ayatollah Khomeini himself wrote a personal note thanking the hospital for its help after the revolution succeeded. https://www.csmonitor.com/1998/0203/020398.intl.intl.3.html https://www.csmonitor.com/1998/0203/020398.intl.intl.3.html """ It comes as a surprise to many visitors to discover that Iran, a country so hostile to Israel and with a reputation for intolerance, is home to a small but vibrant Jewish community that is an officially recognized religious minority under Iran's 1979 Islamic Constitution. "Khomeini didn't mix up our community with Israel and Zionism - he saw us as Iranians," says Haroun Yashyaei, a film producer and chairman of the Central Jewish Community in Iran.""" Iran's objection is not with Judaism but with the occupation and the meddling in their affairs through proxies.
  - za3faran 6mo ago
    Ahmad Yassin also commented on this: https://x.com/incontextmedia/status/1720877046664986750 https://x.com/incontextmedia/status/1720877046664986750
    - srean 6mo ago
      I had no idea.
- TiredOfLife 6mo ago
  That article lists the population as 9100.
roryirvine 6mo ago
Hence the term "Delphic", commonly used in English to mean "dangerously ambiguous". But in this case, there's not really much ambiguity - Trump is openly threatening genocide and, as a result, is destroying any remaining moral authority that the USA might once have had.
- jacquesm 6mo ago
  I thought I heard a cork pop somewhere East of me.
  - ludicrousdispla 6mo ago
    and in front of a "Миссия выполнена" poster
  - roryirvine 6mo ago
    Putin will be loving it, but I guess China that must be likely to emerge as the real winners from this. At what point are the US military expected to refuse unlawful orders? Some form of high-level mutiny might actually be the best way forward for America right now.
    - saidnooneever 6mo ago
      i just hope someone in the US realises there is only 1 civilization on earth.
      - tempodox 6mo ago
        Those who do have no leverage.
        jacquesm 6mo ago
        Of course they do.
  - hkpack 6mo ago

johnbarron 6mo ago

After Israel, Iran is home to the second largest Jewish population in the Middle East. Current estimates are that 15,000 to 20,000 Jews live in Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews

AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
That’s not even a little correct there’s 100s of thousands more in Palestine than Iran Like you just posted a straight up lie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_city https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_city
- mongol 6mo ago
  Palestine doesn't exist, from Israel's point of view. To accuse parent of lying is taking it much too far
- johnbarron 6mo ago
  To clarify, the quote comes directly from the Wikipedia article on Iranian Jews [1], which cites a BBC source [2]. The phrasing is "After Israel, it is home to the second-largest Jewish population in the Middle East." The links you posted actually support my point rather than refute it. The "Jewish population by country" page lists Iran at 8,500–20,000. Palestine is not listed as a separate entry with a larger Jewish population. You may be referring to Israeli settlers in the West Bank, but those individuals are Israeli citizens counted under Israel's population in every demographic source I'm aware of. Counting them under "Palestine" would require simultaneously recognizing Palestine as a sovereign state while attributing Israeli citizens to it, which no standard demographic dataset does. If you have a source that counts a Jewish population in a recognized state called Palestine that exceeds Iran, I'd genuinely be interested to see it. But calling a direct Wikipedia/BBC citation a "straight up lie" is a strong claim that should probably come with a stronger source and also shows, you arrive with an ulterior agenda, that I at least, do not have. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm
  - AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
    Your “source” is 20 years old
    - johnbarron 6mo ago
      Your “source” is non existing, that is why you did not answer my question.
  - deleted 6mo ago
    [deleted]
srean 6mo ago
Tehran to this day hosts Dr. Sapir Hospital and Charity Center, a Jewish charity hospital, the largest charity among the religious minorities in Iran. Ayatollah Khomeini himself wrote a personal note thanking the hospital for its help after the revolution succeeded. https://www.csmonitor.com/1998/0203/020398.intl.intl.3.html https://www.csmonitor.com/1998/0203/020398.intl.intl.3.html """ It comes as a surprise to many visitors to discover that Iran, a country so hostile to Israel and with a reputation for intolerance, is home to a small but vibrant Jewish community that is an officially recognized religious minority under Iran's 1979 Islamic Constitution. "Khomeini didn't mix up our community with Israel and Zionism - he saw us as Iranians," says Haroun Yashyaei, a film producer and chairman of the Central Jewish Community in Iran.""" Iran's objection is not with Judaism but with the occupation and the meddling in their affairs through proxies.
- za3faran 6mo ago
  Ahmad Yassin also commented on this: https://x.com/incontextmedia/status/1720877046664986750 https://x.com/incontextmedia/status/1720877046664986750
  - srean 6mo ago
    I had no idea.
TiredOfLife 6mo ago
That article lists the population as 9100.

roryirvine 6mo ago

Hence the term "Delphic", commonly used in English to mean "dangerously ambiguous". But in this case, there's not really much ambiguity - Trump is openly threatening genocide and, as a result, is destroying any remaining moral authority that the USA might once have had.

jacquesm 6mo ago
I thought I heard a cork pop somewhere East of me.
- ludicrousdispla 6mo ago
  and in front of a "Миссия выполнена" poster
- roryirvine 6mo ago
  Putin will be loving it, but I guess China that must be likely to emerge as the real winners from this. At what point are the US military expected to refuse unlawful orders? Some form of high-level mutiny might actually be the best way forward for America right now.
  - saidnooneever 6mo ago
    i just hope someone in the US realises there is only 1 civilization on earth.
    - tempodox 6mo ago
      Those who do have no leverage.
      - jacquesm 6mo ago
        Of course they do.
- hkpack 6mo ago