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> Imho IQ scores aren’t a sufficient measure of intelligence, it’s very shaky science at best What do you propose as a replacement metric to determine if human

> Imho IQ scores aren’t a sufficient measure of intelligence, it’s very shaky science at best What do you propose as a replacement metric to determine if humans are getting dumber or not?

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MidnightRider39 7mo ago
No idea. Why do we need to determine if humans are getting dumber or not?
- lpcvoid 7mo ago
  Because it would explain what's happening in the world after 2019.
- pixl97 7mo ago
  What an odd question. What do you think intelligence actually is? What effects do you think it has when it goes up or down in mass?
  - MidnightRider39 7mo ago
    I think it’s an essential question. I wouldn’t even know how to describe what intelligence means exactly. I’ve experienced very “smart” people make horribly stupid decisions and the other way round. Since I don’t know a way to describe what intelligent actually means I can’t tell if it’s good or not to have more or less of it. For some this seems to be a very “finished” topic, but we don’t have any widely accepted definitions of intelligence, not even for “less complex” organisms
- lelanthran 7mo ago
  > No idea. Why do we need to determine if humans are getting dumber or not? It seems to me, then, that your primary objection is not that IQ scores are inaccurate, but that intelligence shouldn't be measured in the first place? Which makes me think that you don't want anyone doing research into whether human intelligence is changing at all.
  - MidnightRider39 7mo ago
    No I think that our tools to measure and our definition of intelligence are lacking and are causing more problems than actually helping with anything. Or can you point to any obvious improvements that result from having measured “intelligence” for the last 100+ years? When my grandpa was a kid they would measure your skull and decide if you are smart or a subhuman based on that. Makes about as much sense as our current IQ tests…

> Imho IQ scores aren’t a sufficient measure of intelligence, it’s very shaky science at best What do you propose as a replacement metric to determine if humans are getting dumber or not?

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MidnightRider39 7mo ago

No idea. Why do we need to determine if humans are getting dumber or not?

lpcvoid 7mo ago
Because it would explain what's happening in the world after 2019.
pixl97 7mo ago
What an odd question. What do you think intelligence actually is? What effects do you think it has when it goes up or down in mass?
- MidnightRider39 7mo ago
  I think it’s an essential question. I wouldn’t even know how to describe what intelligence means exactly. I’ve experienced very “smart” people make horribly stupid decisions and the other way round. Since I don’t know a way to describe what intelligent actually means I can’t tell if it’s good or not to have more or less of it. For some this seems to be a very “finished” topic, but we don’t have any widely accepted definitions of intelligence, not even for “less complex” organisms
lelanthran 7mo ago
> No idea. Why do we need to determine if humans are getting dumber or not? It seems to me, then, that your primary objection is not that IQ scores are inaccurate, but that intelligence shouldn't be measured in the first place? Which makes me think that you don't want anyone doing research into whether human intelligence is changing at all.
- MidnightRider39 7mo ago
  No I think that our tools to measure and our definition of intelligence are lacking and are causing more problems than actually helping with anything. Or can you point to any obvious improvements that result from having measured “intelligence” for the last 100+ years? When my grandpa was a kid they would measure your skull and decide if you are smart or a subhuman based on that. Makes about as much sense as our current IQ tests…