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*anti untested vaccines - people should be skeptical of untested vaccines, just like peptides.

mft_ 6mo ago
Indeed, but that’s not the point: many anti-vaxxers are against all vaccines, irrespective of how they were tested. (And will argue against e.g. the FRA approvals.)
- kelipso 6mo ago
  But you confuse that set of people with people who don’t know want to inject untested vaccines into their body.
  - mft_ 6mo ago
    (I don’t) I’m genuinely not aware of a DIY or grey market in vaccines. Peptides, yes, but vaccines? In the absence of this, I suspect you’re either confused or straw-manning…
    - kelipso 6mo ago
      I was referring to the MRNA vaccines, which were relatively untested when released to the public. Suspicion of that is very reasonable.
      - mft_ 6mo ago
        Okay; noting that the argument has moved from "untested" to "relatively untested". To clarify, is your concern the inadequacy of the approval process FDA uses for (all) vaccines (noting that many vaccines --e.g. influenza-- are refreshed on a fairly regular basis to account for new strains of viruses) or something specific to approval of the MRNA vaccines? Or is it that MRNA vaccines were a new approach for vaccines more generally, and so there wasn't/isn't the same long-term data that there was/is for multiple generations of vaccines based on older technologies (viral vector, toxoid, etc.)?
        kelipso 6mo ago
        Untested is always relative. And the second, but what’s your point?
        mft_ 6mo ago
        > Untested is always relative. I disagree; "untested" is a very definitive statement. Not tested. Especially when it's in a thread discussing people using all manner of less tested or sometimes literally untested peptides. (Hence my initial thought that maybe you were aware of people taking a DIY route that I wasn't.) Anyway, when discussing a subject so popularly controversial as vaccines, it's probably better to be precise. > And the second, but what’s your point? I wanted to understand your perspective.
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BoggleOhYeah 6mo ago
Which untested vaccines are regularly given to patients?
- markovs_gun 6mo ago
  He means the COVID vaccine but knows people will make fun of him if he says what he actually believes so he's playing pretend like there is some plague of untested vaccines being used instead of there being one fast tracked vaccine deployed in response to a massive pandemic

mft_ 6mo ago

Indeed, but that’s not the point: many anti-vaxxers are against all vaccines, irrespective of how they were tested. (And will argue against e.g. the FRA approvals.)

kelipso 6mo ago
But you confuse that set of people with people who don’t know want to inject untested vaccines into their body.
- mft_ 6mo ago
  (I don’t) I’m genuinely not aware of a DIY or grey market in vaccines. Peptides, yes, but vaccines? In the absence of this, I suspect you’re either confused or straw-manning…
  - kelipso 6mo ago
    I was referring to the MRNA vaccines, which were relatively untested when released to the public. Suspicion of that is very reasonable.
    - mft_ 6mo ago
      Okay; noting that the argument has moved from "untested" to "relatively untested". To clarify, is your concern the inadequacy of the approval process FDA uses for (all) vaccines (noting that many vaccines --e.g. influenza-- are refreshed on a fairly regular basis to account for new strains of viruses) or something specific to approval of the MRNA vaccines? Or is it that MRNA vaccines were a new approach for vaccines more generally, and so there wasn't/isn't the same long-term data that there was/is for multiple generations of vaccines based on older technologies (viral vector, toxoid, etc.)?
      - kelipso 6mo ago
        Untested is always relative. And the second, but what’s your point?
        mft_ 6mo ago
        > Untested is always relative. I disagree; "untested" is a very definitive statement. Not tested. Especially when it's in a thread discussing people using all manner of less tested or sometimes literally untested peptides. (Hence my initial thought that maybe you were aware of people taking a DIY route that I wasn't.) Anyway, when discussing a subject so popularly controversial as vaccines, it's probably better to be precise. > And the second, but what’s your point? I wanted to understand your perspective.
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BoggleOhYeah 6mo ago

Which untested vaccines are regularly given to patients?

markovs_gun 6mo ago
He means the COVID vaccine but knows people will make fun of him if he says what he actually believes so he's playing pretend like there is some plague of untested vaccines being used instead of there being one fast tracked vaccine deployed in response to a massive pandemic