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> I can use default project templates that are included in Visual Studio, download starter projects from the web, or, if I prefer, start with a completely empty
by irahul 14y ago
> I can use default project templates that are included in Visual Studio, download starter projects from the web, or, if I prefer, start with a completely empty solution and use Nuget to cherry-pick functionality that other developers have made available.
It's not about just the templates(I have personally never used one). Rails has useful code generation(scaffold, controller, model, migration). I would rather not type what I can generate. This isn't something you can solve with project templates.
How is this a myth that you can bootstrap a project faster using Rails? Here, take this:
http://guides.rubyonrails.org/getting_started.html#creating-a-resource http://guides.rubyonrails.org/getting_started.html#creating-...
Show me how I do the "10 minutes blog" in your framework of choice.
> Myth 2: It's Easier to Manage Packages Rails
Great. Good on them for realizing adding assemblies using Visual Studio dialogs is a fucked up way to manage dependencies.
> Myth 3: It's Better to Develop with RoR Because it's Open Source
It's better to develop with RoR because it's open source, and when something breaks or I need to augment, I don't need to wait for my overlords.
> If your personal opinion or corporate agenda is that it's "better" to develop on OSS solutions, then good on you.
It's neither. How hard is it to understand that black boxes are a pain?
> Myth 4: I Get More Options for View Engines/I'm not Limited by Microsoft View Engines
> First of all...what limitations? The Razor view engine â the default for MVC â is likely one of the best view engines around right now.
And how is razor one of the best? http://www.asp.net/mvc/tutorials/views/introduction-to-razor-syntax http://www.asp.net/mvc/tutorials/views/introduction-to-razor... This looks like another run of the mill template engine.
> Maturity isn't dictated by age, and what is really important is how comfortable you are with your tools.
Maturity of a framework is independent of how comfortable you are with it.
> but it doesn't mean you can dismiss VS for what it is
Umm. RoR isn't an IDE. What has RoR's maturity got to do with VS? If you want to talk about tooling, please do, but how does RoR's tooling the same as RoR maturity?
> You're likely to find just as many bad questions, answers, arguments and features in any language, if you look hard enough.
Are you seriously positing all languages have same amount of activity and features?
> I know exactly where my models go. And my views. And helpers. And filters.
And I am least interested in learning a new project layout every time I work on a different project. You know your project layout - I don't and I am not interested in learning it. The point of a standardized layout is "it's more clear where things go".
- rjbond3rd 14y agoFor Myth 4, you're agreeing with his point. He says: > For the record, the MVC Framework is [also] completely open source... [thus] This is not a differentiator for Rails.
- irahul 14y agoI am responding to his "open source about corporate agenda or personal motto". Working with open source frameworks and libs(at least for me) has nothing to do with corporate agenda or personal motto.
- JamesChambers 14y agoHey thanks for this. I will indeed take you up on the "10 minutes blog" and put it on YouTube. I do it all the time during presentations. I agree it's not just about the templates. We have support for scaffolding (controllers, views, migrations and more). Our models are POCOs, so they are trivial to write, and we have great helpers for that. Agreed fully on #2. About time. #3 - I haven't had to wait for anything. Most parts that I don't like I can and have just built my own parts for. The MVC Framework (and ASP.NET runtime) are pretty much pluggable up and down the stack. As for the maturity piece, I think you're taking the VS comments out of context. I'm not saying MVC is an IDE and I'm not saying RoR is or isn't. My comments on this were from the segway from "tools" in the previous paragraph. > Are you seriously positing all languages have same amount of activity and features? No, I'm simply saying you can find bad features in any language. :o) Again, I'm not saying "You have to drop what you're doing and try MS's implementation of MVC", I'm just saying, "Don't knock a horse before you try reading it." Or however that goes. Thanks again, great comments.
- sergiotapia 14y agoI wonder why you bother posting things like this here of all places. I agree with you, I'm an MVC3 and a Rails developer - I put food on the table for my family using both (and even sometimes CakePHP). The amount of sheer idiocy in this thread is really surprising considering the website. It's like people see "Micro$0ft", foam at the mouth, and start rambling on about FOSS. Without even using MVC3 for anything substantial. To compare Razor with any other view engine and say it's more or less the same is SO IGNORANT it makes my blood boil; especially since people are upvoting those same stupid remarks. How can you compare Razor's elegant syntax with Rails really smelly view engine: @foreach (var person in Model.Friends) { <p>@person.Name</p> }