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Good. This needs to happen in US as well. Gas needs to go towards $20+ a gallon. This is the kind of "pain" that makes people start paying attention to who the

Good. This needs to happen in US as well. Gas needs to go towards $20+ a gallon. This is the kind of "pain" that makes people start paying attention to who they vote for and not vote just on vibes.

adrianN 6mo ago
It would be nice if the people hit hardest by this weren’t the poorest.
- bdangubic 6mo ago
  poorest need to be hit the hardest as historically they vote for wrong people who ensure they stay poorest
- ActorNightly 6mo ago
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  - adrianN 6mo ago
    As someone from Europe, to me the democrats don’t seem to particularly care about poor people either. They apparently do a slightly better job than the republicans, but that’s not a very high bar.
    - ActorNightly 6mo ago
      Firstly, the Democrats have done way more to actually help the poor people. Just under Bidens term, expansion of the child tax credit has been a huge help, and the infrastructure bill creates a whole lot of jobs. Secondly, just know that your "centrist" position mask no longer works to hide your right wing views. You aren't fooling anyone when you compare democrats to a literal pedophiles and say both are bad. Luckily though, the EU isn't a bunch of pussies, and people like you can get arrested for lying and spreading misinformation.
      - adrianN 6mo ago
        I usually vote for left-of-center parties in my country and find your comment needlessly aggressive.
        ActorNightly 6mo ago
        The problem is that there is a good amount of people who claim that they are on the left, but ideologically on the right, just like with all the people who did not vote for Kamala because of her stances on Israel. They basically want someone who is just like Trump that would carry out their version of ideal governance without giving a fuck if it destroys the country. So its not about left vs right anymore, its about sanity vs insanity. You are either for returning to some level of normalcy, and understand that no matter what the Dems faults are, their worst policies or people are way way better than anything that the right has to offer, and criticizing them at this point on any of that is just pointless.
      - happymellon 6mo ago
        > Secondly, just know that your "centrist" position mask no longer works to hide your right wing views. Not the person you are replying to, but as someone who is most definetly not right, or centre, I find the democrats very half hearted. I don't think that you voting for the better of the two makes you right wing (you are limited by the options you have, and by the reality of the impact of your vote), but I do hope the next Democrat administration has the courage to just dictate through executive orders to give Medicade for all, etc, since they have the cover of the current adminstrations trying to create rules to make it all legal.
        ActorNightly 6mo ago
        > I find the democrats very half hearted. I really don't know if this is just a symptom of non understanding how bad the situation is. Just for reference, even at the best possible outcome of elections, your life is going to get dramatically harder over the next 10 years because of all the shit Trump did. Jobs are gonna disappear, your house value is going to go down, everything will be more expensive, and your options abroad will be MUCH more limited. No amount of policy is going to fix the seeded distrust that the world has against US, and thats not going to change anytime soon. If we ever return to some normalcy, then we can have a discussion about the faults with Dems. Because right now, this rhetoric is akin to being on a sinking ship, and your options are either to be torn apart by sharks in the water, or be on a lifeboat, and you are saying the lifeboat sucks because it doesn't have a sun shade.
    - pseudohadamard 6mo ago
      Also from outside the US, and the Democrats, the party itself that is not its supporters, are a bunch of human no-ops voted for by people who have no other choice than to vote for them because the alternative would be to vote for Trump. I read some stats somewhere saying that 80% of Democrat voters opposed the genocide in Gaza while the Democrat leadership were quite OK with it. This is a party that's completely out of touch with its own supporters, run as a sinecure for the leadership and little else. If, on the day of Trump's inauguration, you'd replaced the entire Democrat leadership with a string puppet, would anyone have noticed the difference?

Good. This needs to happen in US as well. Gas needs to go towards $20+ a gallon. This is the kind of "pain" that makes people start paying attention to who they vote for and not vote just on vibes.

adrianN 6mo ago

It would be nice if the people hit hardest by this weren’t the poorest.

bdangubic 6mo ago
poorest need to be hit the hardest as historically they vote for wrong people who ensure they stay poorest
ActorNightly 6mo ago
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- adrianN 6mo ago
  As someone from Europe, to me the democrats don’t seem to particularly care about poor people either. They apparently do a slightly better job than the republicans, but that’s not a very high bar.
  - ActorNightly 6mo ago
    Firstly, the Democrats have done way more to actually help the poor people. Just under Bidens term, expansion of the child tax credit has been a huge help, and the infrastructure bill creates a whole lot of jobs. Secondly, just know that your "centrist" position mask no longer works to hide your right wing views. You aren't fooling anyone when you compare democrats to a literal pedophiles and say both are bad. Luckily though, the EU isn't a bunch of pussies, and people like you can get arrested for lying and spreading misinformation.
    - adrianN 6mo ago
      I usually vote for left-of-center parties in my country and find your comment needlessly aggressive.
      - ActorNightly 6mo ago
        The problem is that there is a good amount of people who claim that they are on the left, but ideologically on the right, just like with all the people who did not vote for Kamala because of her stances on Israel. They basically want someone who is just like Trump that would carry out their version of ideal governance without giving a fuck if it destroys the country. So its not about left vs right anymore, its about sanity vs insanity. You are either for returning to some level of normalcy, and understand that no matter what the Dems faults are, their worst policies or people are way way better than anything that the right has to offer, and criticizing them at this point on any of that is just pointless.
    - happymellon 6mo ago
      > Secondly, just know that your "centrist" position mask no longer works to hide your right wing views. Not the person you are replying to, but as someone who is most definetly not right, or centre, I find the democrats very half hearted. I don't think that you voting for the better of the two makes you right wing (you are limited by the options you have, and by the reality of the impact of your vote), but I do hope the next Democrat administration has the courage to just dictate through executive orders to give Medicade for all, etc, since they have the cover of the current adminstrations trying to create rules to make it all legal.
      - ActorNightly 6mo ago
        > I find the democrats very half hearted. I really don't know if this is just a symptom of non understanding how bad the situation is. Just for reference, even at the best possible outcome of elections, your life is going to get dramatically harder over the next 10 years because of all the shit Trump did. Jobs are gonna disappear, your house value is going to go down, everything will be more expensive, and your options abroad will be MUCH more limited. No amount of policy is going to fix the seeded distrust that the world has against US, and thats not going to change anytime soon. If we ever return to some normalcy, then we can have a discussion about the faults with Dems. Because right now, this rhetoric is akin to being on a sinking ship, and your options are either to be torn apart by sharks in the water, or be on a lifeboat, and you are saying the lifeboat sucks because it doesn't have a sun shade.
  - pseudohadamard 6mo ago
    Also from outside the US, and the Democrats, the party itself that is not its supporters, are a bunch of human no-ops voted for by people who have no other choice than to vote for them because the alternative would be to vote for Trump. I read some stats somewhere saying that 80% of Democrat voters opposed the genocide in Gaza while the Democrat leadership were quite OK with it. This is a party that's completely out of touch with its own supporters, run as a sinecure for the leadership and little else. If, on the day of Trump's inauguration, you'd replaced the entire Democrat leadership with a string puppet, would anyone have noticed the difference?