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Dear Heroku: Uhh What's Going On?
- msteffen 6mo agoFive bucks it’s this: Management: “we’re going into maintenance mode” Devs: “You mean we get to work on whatever we want?!”
- msteffen 6mo agoNext week: “we are right-sizing the organization”
- hanspagel 6mo ago100% management is gone, engineers took over
- bigotiddies 6mo ago[dead]
- sghiassy 6mo agoHeroku has been going downhill ever since Salesforce bought them.
- offmycloud 6mo agoI can't believe that it has been over 15 years ... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1982489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1982489
- 0xc133 6mo agoStrong disagree. They didn’t even invent buildpacks until 2011, the year after the acquisition.
- sghiassy 6mo agoMomentum??
- nextaccountic 6mo agoIf they still had momentum one year after acquisition, I think it's hard to say they have been going downhill Maybe we could say they went uphill instead for a while? Or something
- ubertaco 6mo agoIn my experience, generally Salesforce takes a little while before they notice that they bought you and start imposing uniformity and forcibly regressing you to their mean. This was a(n internally-)famously hard and lengthy process for them with ExactTarget (read: Marketing Cloud) because ExactTarget employees identified strongly with "ExactTarget orange" culture rather than "Salesforce blue", which mostly meant being appalled at the technical and process swamp that Salesforce represented and pushing hard to keep their own tech stack and their own culture and standards as long as possible. Heroku had an interesting arc, as they were the bright spot people would point at internally as where actually good engineering somehow happene even at Salesforce. There was a whole effort to let Heroku be the business unit that paved the path to AWS and PaaS for the entire company (which was at the time operating datacenters themselves), and so Heroku got a bunch of investment and freedom for a bit. Then there was some weird power struggle, and the executives inexplicably decided not only to take that out of Heroku's hands despite their expertise, but also to basically shove Heroku in a corner to be ignored unless stripmined of its customer base through upsells or its staff through reallocations of headcount.
- 9dev 6mo agoIt’s just in coma, slowly dying away on a respirator. Some relatives irrationally keep paying the hospital to keep the patient alive, but the doctors just wait until they can finally pull the plugs and use the bed for someone with actual chances of survival.
- cyberax 6mo agoI think the downhill slide started when they introduced the "Private Space Peering". It is a wrapper on top of AWS VPC, but it was something like $1000 a month several years ago. It also was gating larger instances and other important features. So few people used it. I guess this provided a negative signal to their management about the adoption rate of new features. And then everything eventually just died.
- tnolet 6mo agoActually the opposite: they came into their prime after the acquisition. Probably not due to Salesforce, but still.
- N_Lens 6mo agoWhat a weird article that's microanalysing language in Heroku's blog posts. I mean times are such that pivot-churn is becoming business as usual for most outfits these days so I wouldn't put any stock on C-Suite verbiage.
- satvikpendem 6mo agoIt's an ad for the author's service, that's how all of these engineering blogs generally are.
- dangus 6mo agoThe blog author isn’t understanding it but it’s quite simple: the product only matters in the context of large enterprise customers. The large customers still get what they want as long as the ask isn’t too big and that’s why you see new features even though the product is in maintenance mode.
- ChrisArchitect 6mo agoThe related discussion on one of the mentioned blog posts: An update of Heroku https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46913903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46913903
- elwray 6mo agoI think its impossible for the Herokus and the digital oceans of the world to survive in the cloud world. They might be able to create better experience for customers but noone can match the networking that AWS, GCP and Azure can provide. Low latency will always win over better developer experience.
- interstice 6mo agoI've never found cloud anything to beat the speed (and price) of a well placed server. DO has always been a bit rich for my blood though, and even a low cost hetzner VPS has less cores than I remember seeing at the same price a decade ago. I could be wrong there though I usually use Vultr for their SYD region.
- petcat 6mo ago> has less cores than I remember seeing at the same price a decade ago Less cores but probably 5x more performance per core now.
- interstice 6mo agoThis is more helpful when software doesn't just pin the first 4 available cores at 100% to get things done.
- SpaceNugget 6mo agoHow? If each core is 5x faster then it's done 5x sooner. I can't think of a use case for a cheap vps where 5x faster per core cpus are not helpful.
- interstice 6mo agoA slower background transcode usually doesn't matter, but a faster transcode that stops important processes running in the meantime might. This is usually fixable with effort, but sometimes it's nice to not have to configure everything to the nth degree.
- elAhmo 6mo agoI don't understand who is still using Heroku today.
- nathanappere 6mo agoThe experience of "you push, provision databases & dependencies in 3 clicks, and it just works" is sadly still unmatched.
- fg137 6mo agoMaybe true in 2010 but not today.
- frollogaston 6mo agoYep, even in the things that tried to copy Heroku
- collimarco 6mo agoI have built Cuber (https://github.com/cuber-cloud/cuber-gem https://github.com/cuber-cloud/cuber-gem) a few years ago as a replacement for Heroku and now we use it to deploy all our Rails applications on DigitalOcean Kubernetes. Extremely lower cost, better performance, less bugs, better support...
- anonzzzies 6mo agoIs Heroku that expensive these days? What are extremely lower costs? In my experience DO is hella expensive.
- cristinaibunea 6mo agoNorthflank is by far the cheapest alternative
- bovermyer 6mo agoI long ago switched to Fly.io. It feels like the old days of Heroku.
- dizhn 6mo agoThey might be dumping the last of the stuff that was already in the pipeline.
- bigotiddies 6mo ago[dead]
- wavemode 6mo agoWhat it seems like has happened, is that most or all Product Manager oversight was removed from the Heroku project, and an engineering team was given ownership of the whole thing, for the purpose of ongoing maintenance. But, paradoxically, this has given those engineers free rein to make whatever improvements they deem fit - including things they may have been blocked from working on in the past due to Product meddling and/or corporate bureaucracy. (Not speaking authoritatively - this situation just, from the outside, appears to have a lot of parallels to teams I've been on that owned "Legacy" services.)
- ziovercel 6mo agoHeroku > Vercel. Try again HN
- youngtaff 6mo ago???
- slowvercel 6mo ago[flagged]
- cestith 6mo agoI understand Judoscale is a customer with apprehensions and is asking for clarity. That will definitely raise anxiety. However, Heroku said they were changing focus. It’s entirely possible to change focus away from something and still do some of it. A focus on things other than new features doesn’t mean, necessarily, no new features at all. Heroku could probably save their customers and partners a lot of anxiety by being clearer and more explicit what they mean.
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