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He honeymooned in USSR. Which is a rather odd place to honeymoon in 1988. But yes, he never explicitly said he was a communist, but just someone that wants to s

by bko 6mo ago

He honeymooned in USSR. Which is a rather odd place to honeymoon in 1988. But yes, he never explicitly said he was a communist, but just someone that wants to seize the means of production.

Capricorn2481 6mo ago
He literally said “I don’t believe government should take over the grocery store down the street or own the means of production.” https://pjmedia.com/ron-radosh/2016/01/18/no-new-york-post-bernie-sanders-is-not-a-communist-n184872 https://pjmedia.com/ron-radosh/2016/01/18/no-new-york-post-b...
- bko 6mo ago
  The grocery store thing is a red herring, although its supported by nyc who by your logic is a communist? Thats hardly a definitive test. There are more relevant industries In a 1976 interview, Sanders said, “I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks and major industries,” and when told that sounded like socialism, he replied, “Of course.” “public ownership of the major means of production and their conversion into worker-controlled enterprises.” More recently, Sanders has also been described as backing worker ownership plans, with reporting that he was encouraging workers to take control of the means of production. https://reason.com/2019/03/14/bernie-sanders-wanted-public-ownership-o/ https://reason.com/2019/03/14/bernie-sanders-wanted-public-o... https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/kfile-bernie-nationalization https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/kfile-bernie-nationa... https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/bernie-sanders-workers-should-control-the-means-of-production/ https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/bernie-sanders-workers-...
  - Capricorn2481 6mo ago
    > The grocery store thing is a red herring How? He said he doesn't think the government should seize the means of production. That's directly relevant to what we're talking about. > In a 1976 interview, Sanders said, “I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks and major industries,” and when told that sounded like socialism, he replied, “Of course.” I don't really care what his economic beliefs were 50 years ago. We have a long political career we can draw from. We don't need to cherry pick quotes from when he was 30 to try and find hidden belief systems. He's been pretty consistent his entire career. > More recently, Sanders has also been described as backing worker ownership plans, with reporting that he was encouraging workers to take control of the means of production A work ownership plan in a company is completely different from what you implied, which was "Bernie Sanders wants to seize the means of production." You made it sound like he wants to nationalize everything under the sun. > although its supported by nyc who by your logic is a communist? Thats hardly a definitive test. There are more relevant industries I can't make out what you're trying to say here.

by bko 6mo ago

He honeymooned in USSR. Which is a rather odd place to honeymoon in 1988. But yes, he never explicitly said he was a communist, but just someone that wants to seize the means of production.

Capricorn2481 6mo ago

He literally said “I don’t believe government should take over the grocery store down the street or own the means of production.” https://pjmedia.com/ron-radosh/2016/01/18/no-new-york-post-bernie-sanders-is-not-a-communist-n184872 https://pjmedia.com/ron-radosh/2016/01/18/no-new-york-post-b...

bko 6mo ago
The grocery store thing is a red herring, although its supported by nyc who by your logic is a communist? Thats hardly a definitive test. There are more relevant industries In a 1976 interview, Sanders said, “I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks and major industries,” and when told that sounded like socialism, he replied, “Of course.” “public ownership of the major means of production and their conversion into worker-controlled enterprises.” More recently, Sanders has also been described as backing worker ownership plans, with reporting that he was encouraging workers to take control of the means of production. https://reason.com/2019/03/14/bernie-sanders-wanted-public-ownership-o/ https://reason.com/2019/03/14/bernie-sanders-wanted-public-o... https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/kfile-bernie-nationalization https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/kfile-bernie-nationa... https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/bernie-sanders-workers-should-control-the-means-of-production/ https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/bernie-sanders-workers-...
- Capricorn2481 6mo ago
  > The grocery store thing is a red herring How? He said he doesn't think the government should seize the means of production. That's directly relevant to what we're talking about. > In a 1976 interview, Sanders said, “I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks and major industries,” and when told that sounded like socialism, he replied, “Of course.” I don't really care what his economic beliefs were 50 years ago. We have a long political career we can draw from. We don't need to cherry pick quotes from when he was 30 to try and find hidden belief systems. He's been pretty consistent his entire career. > More recently, Sanders has also been described as backing worker ownership plans, with reporting that he was encouraging workers to take control of the means of production A work ownership plan in a company is completely different from what you implied, which was "Bernie Sanders wants to seize the means of production." You made it sound like he wants to nationalize everything under the sun. > although its supported by nyc who by your logic is a communist? Thats hardly a definitive test. There are more relevant industries I can't make out what you're trying to say here.