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Aren't they trying to ban knives?

Havoc 6mo ago
They've been trying forever - it's a futile exercise.
defrost 6mo ago
Regulate, not ban, not working knives (chef, ropemaker, tech, <reason>), but "zombie" knives and other "flash" used to swing in public and intimidate (subject, say to specific performance reasons, etc.) Love it, hate it, it's a different mindset to the US approach and ultimatelty falls back on judges using "reasonable behaviour" of common citizens on ominbuses as a yardstick.
- themaninthedark 6mo ago
  A rapper made a great song about this a while ago: https://youtu.be/YeV2cExvnMI?si=ZWhMBC1CDBGZHKNB https://youtu.be/YeV2cExvnMI?si=ZWhMBC1CDBGZHKNB Also from the comment section: "knife crime, knife crime, it's ain't about knives" You're saving that banning/ demonizing locking folding knives when almost all crimes are committed with a common kitchen knife wasnt the solution?!? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!
  - defrost 6mo ago
    Heh, great track. I mean it's no Linton Kwesi Johnson dis but it is what it is and that's enough. Look, no one's a fan of the village idiot juggling lit dynamite on a unicycle in the packed shopping mall, and it's no good for anyone if the bad apples* aren't given a route to better things to do so Roman Law countries tend to have any old excuse laws to give cause to have people questioned as to why they're doing whatever the heck it is that they're doing .. my grandmother pulled up kids all the time like that. The upside of such things is actually problematic and questionable bahaviour can be shunted in one direction and chefs of any colour, langauge, borough address can walk on proud and free with their knife rolls. The downside is the watchers and guardians can get a bit enthused and selective in their choices of collar, they can develop little clique's of weirdness and corruption, and the judgy types can get a bit overly judgy about all the wrong things. The challenge for any community is dealing with all that and having better control over the system .. takes time and focus, 'taint easy. * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MVsBS7OZvo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MVsBS7OZvo
- tracker1 6mo ago
  I can stab you pretty effectively with a screwdriver... it's fucking stupid all around to try to "regulate" knives at all.
  - defrost 6mo ago
    Well, sure, you could certainly have a crack at it, you wouldn't be the first to try. You did rather miss the point of why, and the devil's less in having reason to address potentially violent individuals and groups, far more in the implementations, the biases, the judgements, the feedback on appeals, community support, rehabilitations, restitutions, and that dull stuff.
    - tracker1 6mo ago
      You have yet to establish why the premise and effort itself isn't completely asinine at its core. All you've done is spout a stream of progressive gibberish that doesn't consist of a coherent thought as to why banning or limiting knives is a good idea at all. Banning tools won't stop tools from being misused for violent intent, people will only misuse other tools. > the implementations, the biases, the judgements, the feedback on appeals, community support, rehabilitations, restitutions, and that dull stuff. What the hell does that even mean? It sounds like an AI hallucination trying to justify giving everyone a participation trophy and straight top grades to go through school even if the individuals don't actually participate or grasp the material being tought.
      - defrost 6mo ago
        > You have yet to establish why the premise and effort itself isn't completely asinine at its core. Reason to stop and question - in itself, not an issue. > the implementations, the biases, the judgements, the feedback on appeals Where the problems pile up - the biases of peace keepers, expectations baked into sentencing, resistance to review, etc. > trying to justify giving everyone a participation trophy that'd be your hallucination Maybe wind back the nonsense and strawmanning? What's your country / state or county that has shaped your outlook on all this?

Havoc 6mo ago

They've been trying forever - it's a futile exercise.

Regulate, not ban, not working knives (chef, ropemaker, tech, <reason>), but "zombie" knives and other "flash" used to swing in public and intimidate (subject, say to specific performance reasons, etc.) Love it, hate it, it's a different mindset to the US approach and ultimatelty falls back on judges using "reasonable behaviour" of common citizens on ominbuses as a yardstick.

themaninthedark 6mo ago
A rapper made a great song about this a while ago: https://youtu.be/YeV2cExvnMI?si=ZWhMBC1CDBGZHKNB https://youtu.be/YeV2cExvnMI?si=ZWhMBC1CDBGZHKNB Also from the comment section: "knife crime, knife crime, it's ain't about knives" You're saving that banning/ demonizing locking folding knives when almost all crimes are committed with a common kitchen knife wasnt the solution?!? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!
- defrost 6mo ago
  Heh, great track. I mean it's no Linton Kwesi Johnson dis but it is what it is and that's enough. Look, no one's a fan of the village idiot juggling lit dynamite on a unicycle in the packed shopping mall, and it's no good for anyone if the bad apples* aren't given a route to better things to do so Roman Law countries tend to have any old excuse laws to give cause to have people questioned as to why they're doing whatever the heck it is that they're doing .. my grandmother pulled up kids all the time like that. The upside of such things is actually problematic and questionable bahaviour can be shunted in one direction and chefs of any colour, langauge, borough address can walk on proud and free with their knife rolls. The downside is the watchers and guardians can get a bit enthused and selective in their choices of collar, they can develop little clique's of weirdness and corruption, and the judgy types can get a bit overly judgy about all the wrong things. The challenge for any community is dealing with all that and having better control over the system .. takes time and focus, 'taint easy. * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MVsBS7OZvo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MVsBS7OZvo
tracker1 6mo ago
I can stab you pretty effectively with a screwdriver... it's fucking stupid all around to try to "regulate" knives at all.
- defrost 6mo ago
  Well, sure, you could certainly have a crack at it, you wouldn't be the first to try. You did rather miss the point of why, and the devil's less in having reason to address potentially violent individuals and groups, far more in the implementations, the biases, the judgements, the feedback on appeals, community support, rehabilitations, restitutions, and that dull stuff.
  - tracker1 6mo ago
    You have yet to establish why the premise and effort itself isn't completely asinine at its core. All you've done is spout a stream of progressive gibberish that doesn't consist of a coherent thought as to why banning or limiting knives is a good idea at all. Banning tools won't stop tools from being misused for violent intent, people will only misuse other tools. > the implementations, the biases, the judgements, the feedback on appeals, community support, rehabilitations, restitutions, and that dull stuff. What the hell does that even mean? It sounds like an AI hallucination trying to justify giving everyone a participation trophy and straight top grades to go through school even if the individuals don't actually participate or grasp the material being tought.
    - defrost 6mo ago
      > You have yet to establish why the premise and effort itself isn't completely asinine at its core. Reason to stop and question - in itself, not an issue. > the implementations, the biases, the judgements, the feedback on appeals Where the problems pile up - the biases of peace keepers, expectations baked into sentencing, resistance to review, etc. > trying to justify giving everyone a participation trophy that'd be your hallucination Maybe wind back the nonsense and strawmanning? What's your country / state or county that has shaped your outlook on all this?