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I think it is hilarious that there are four different ways to set settings (settings.json config file, environment variable, slash commands and magical chat key

I think it is hilarious that there are four different ways to set settings (settings.json config file, environment variable, slash commands and magical chat keywords). That kind of consistency has also been my own experience with LLMs.

monatron 6mo ago
To be fair, I can think of reasons why you would want to be able to set them in various ways. - settings.json - set for machine, project - env var - set for an environment/shell/sandbox - slash command - set for a session - magical keyword - set for a turn
- tracker1 6mo ago
  I tend to make a concerted effort to often make sure anything settable via cli is settable via environment variable... though, I often have a search-upward option for a .env file as well. Mostly so that it's easier to containerize/deploy an application in a predictable/reusable way.
ggdxwz 6mo ago
Especially some settings are in setting.json, and others in .claude.json So sometimes I have to go through both to find the one I want to tweak
SAI_Peregrinus 6mo ago
It's not unique to LLMs. Take BASH: you've got `/etc/profile`, `~/.bash_profile,` `~/.bash_login`, `~/.bashrc`, `~/.profile`, environment variables, and shell options.
- subscribed 6mo ago
  Yeah, but for ash/shells these files have wildly different purposes. I don't think it's so distinct with cc.
  - hackerbrother 6mo ago
    I don't think they're wildly different purposes. They're the same purpose (to set shell settings) with different scopes (all users, one user, interactive shells only, etc.).
- hansmayer 6mo ago
  I would laugh so hard at this, if your attempt at comparison was not so tragic. Bash and other shells are deterministic. Want to set it just for one user ? - use ~/.bashrc . Set it for all users on the system? use /etc/profile.d/ . Want it just temporary for this session? You got it, environment variables. And it is going to work like that every single time. It is deterministic you see.
  - SAI_Peregrinus 6mo ago
    The non-determinisim in the LLM systems isn't because of the different config uses, that works much like shell configs. The non-determinism is inherent in LLM operations.
    - hansmayer 6mo ago
      Exactly my point here...
larpingscholar 6mo ago
You are yet to discover the joys of the managed settings scope. They can be set three ways. The claude.ai admin console; by one of two registry keys e.g. HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\ClaudeCode; and by an alphabetically merged directory of json files.
brookst 6mo ago
way more than that. settings.json and settings.local.json in the project directory's .claude/, and both of files can also be in ~/.claude MCP servers can be set in at least 5 of those places plus .mcp.json
windexh8er 6mo ago
I just had this conversation today. It's hilarious that things like Skills and Soul and all of these anthropomorphized files could just be a better laid out set of configuration files. Yet here we are treating machines like pets or worse.
- hansmayer 6mo ago
  Well they need you to think there is some kind of soul behind it - that is their entire pitch!
  - darkwater 6mo ago
    Yep. Especially for Anthropic. Goddamnit, they have it in their company's name!
bmitc 6mo ago
There's also settings available in some offerings and not in others. For example, the Anthropic Claude API supports setting model temperature, but the Claude Agent SDK doesn't.
OliverGuy 6mo ago
settings.json -> global config Env vars -> settings different to your global for a specific project Slash commands / chat keywords -> need to change a setting mid chat

monatron 6mo ago

To be fair, I can think of reasons why you would want to be able to set them in various ways. - settings.json - set for machine, project - env var - set for an environment/shell/sandbox - slash command - set for a session - magical keyword - set for a turn

tracker1 6mo ago
I tend to make a concerted effort to often make sure anything settable via cli is settable via environment variable... though, I often have a search-upward option for a .env file as well. Mostly so that it's easier to containerize/deploy an application in a predictable/reusable way.

ggdxwz 6mo ago

Especially some settings are in setting.json, and others in .claude.json So sometimes I have to go through both to find the one I want to tweak

SAI_Peregrinus 6mo ago

It's not unique to LLMs. Take BASH: you've got `/etc/profile`, `~/.bash_profile,` `~/.bash_login`, `~/.bashrc`, `~/.profile`, environment variables, and shell options.

subscribed 6mo ago
Yeah, but for ash/shells these files have wildly different purposes. I don't think it's so distinct with cc.
- hackerbrother 6mo ago
  I don't think they're wildly different purposes. They're the same purpose (to set shell settings) with different scopes (all users, one user, interactive shells only, etc.).
hansmayer 6mo ago
I would laugh so hard at this, if your attempt at comparison was not so tragic. Bash and other shells are deterministic. Want to set it just for one user ? - use ~/.bashrc . Set it for all users on the system? use /etc/profile.d/ . Want it just temporary for this session? You got it, environment variables. And it is going to work like that every single time. It is deterministic you see.
- SAI_Peregrinus 6mo ago
  The non-determinisim in the LLM systems isn't because of the different config uses, that works much like shell configs. The non-determinism is inherent in LLM operations.
  - hansmayer 6mo ago
    Exactly my point here...

larpingscholar 6mo ago

You are yet to discover the joys of the managed settings scope. They can be set three ways. The claude.ai admin console; by one of two registry keys e.g. HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\ClaudeCode; and by an alphabetically merged directory of json files.

brookst 6mo ago

way more than that. settings.json and settings.local.json in the project directory's .claude/, and both of files can also be in ~/.claude MCP servers can be set in at least 5 of those places plus .mcp.json

windexh8er 6mo ago

I just had this conversation today. It's hilarious that things like Skills and Soul and all of these anthropomorphized files could just be a better laid out set of configuration files. Yet here we are treating machines like pets or worse.

hansmayer 6mo ago
Well they need you to think there is some kind of soul behind it - that is their entire pitch!
- darkwater 6mo ago
  Yep. Especially for Anthropic. Goddamnit, they have it in their company's name!

bmitc 6mo ago

There's also settings available in some offerings and not in others. For example, the Anthropic Claude API supports setting model temperature, but the Claude Agent SDK doesn't.

OliverGuy 6mo ago

settings.json -> global config Env vars -> settings different to your global for a specific project Slash commands / chat keywords -> need to change a setting mid chat