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Paper doesn't spy on you.

by jjulius 6mo ago

crazygringo 6mo ago
If you don't give the app any permissions, it doesn't spy on you either. It doesn't have any more information than the info you give it to buy the tickets in the first place.
- SoftTalker 6mo ago
  It does when the ticket app demands Location access "to protect your security"
  - crazygringo 6mo ago
    You can set location to only while you're using the app. And when you open it to scan the ticket, they already know where you are. You're at the entrance to the stadium where they scan your tickets.
    - tomwheeler 6mo ago
      And that's when you find out the app considers this usage pattern as a signal of fraud, so then you can't get into the event and have no recourse. Their app, their rules, your loss.
      - crazygringo 6mo ago
        Sorry but you've made that up. That's not a thing. I saw your other comment, and that was your fault for not having access to your own e-mail account. Asking you to sign in with a verification code isn't blocking your ticket with "no recourse". Not to mention, you can usually just go to the ticket office and they can look up your ticket if your app isn't working. Obviously they don't advertise this because they don't have enough people to handle if everybody did that. But they're not trying to lock you out from your own ticket.
        jjulius 6mo ago
        >I saw your other comment, and that was your fault for not having access to your own e-mail account. That's the point, though - we shouldn't need always-on, 24/7-access to email for everything always and forever. You're just victim-blaming at this point. >Sorry but you've made that up. That's not a thing. I have a very fun and exciting story about being locked out of my Google Wallet account for that very thing while on vacation. My primary Google account is still banned from performing any monetary transactions as a result, 10+ years later.
        crazygringo 6mo ago
        If you need to log in to something, yes you need always-on, 24-7 access to email or to SMS depending on how the service/account is configured. That's a very common form of 2FA. I'm not victim-blaming, this is just bog-standard security. And what I said is "not a thing" is TicketMaster preventing you from entering an event because you've changed location and that you "have no recourse". You definitely have recourse, there are a number of ways, just like it seems like that person did.
        jjulius 6mo ago
        Again, the point is that that shouldn't need to be how things function. That you ignore that point of my comment and continue to blame the person for not adhering to how things are misses the point and just continues this circular conversation. Enjoy your day.
        crazygringo 6mo ago
        Companies don't implement security measures for the fun of it. They do it to prevent hacking, theft, and fraud. So funny, HN is usually pro-security and pro-2FA. This conversation isn't circular, you're the one who seems to be missing that this is just standard practice, and for good reason. People try to pull all kinds of scams with tickets. Requiring you merely to log in with 2FA is not problematic.
        6mo ago
- jjulius 6mo ago
  >If you don't give the app any permissions, it doesn't spy on you either. We're talking about an 81 year-old who has never had a smartphone before and you're starting the sentence with "if"? And that's just that app, not the phone itself or anything else that someone brand new to, and ignorant towards, this ecosystem is going to encounter and not know what to do with.
- M95D 6mo ago
  > If you don't give the app any permissions, it doesn't spy on you either. What about the other apps? What about the phone itself?
  - crazygringo 6mo ago
    The guy already has a phone. Flip phones still track your location. If you don't want other apps, don't install other apps.
    - jjulius 6mo ago
      >The guy already has a phone. Flip phones still track your location. Locations from flip phones have to be triangulated. Smartphones track more precise locations and a lot more than just location data.
      - crazygringo 6mo ago
        Great. If you're that paranoid, only turn your phone on to buy the tickets and when you're at the stadium. And don't use it for anything else. This dude has previously paid hundreds of dollars per year because he wanted custom-printed tickets. He can pay a hundred for a cheapo Android to use exclusively for tickets and not give up any privacy at all, if he's more paranoid about tracking than the other 99+% of the population who uses smartphones just fine.
- vaylian 6mo ago
  > It doesn't have any more information than the info you give it to buy the tickets in the first place. Many apps ask for permission to use your GPS position and other sensor data, even though they don't need it. Most non-technical people don't understand what that means and will just allow it.
  - raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
    I have absolutely never in 15+ years of having an iPhone had an app ask for GPS or sensor data when it clearly wasn’t necessary for functionality like a maps app or Uber.
    - graemep 6mo ago
      What is clearly necessary? I have had a supermarket app (on Android, I do not know the behaviour of the Apple app) ask for location to direct me to their click and collect point, but then keep requesting location data afterwards.
      - raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
        On iOS, once an app requests a permission once, it is never again allowed to request that permission, the dialog won’t show.
  - crazygringo 6mo ago
    > Many apps ask for permission to use your GPS position and other sensor data, even though they don't need it. What on earth are you talking about? I've installed hundreds of apps in my life and literally never seen that.
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Paper doesn't spy on you.

by jjulius 6mo ago

Paper doesn't spy on you.

If you don't give the app any permissions, it doesn't spy on you either. It doesn't have any more information than the info you give it to buy the tickets in the first place.

SoftTalker 6mo ago
It does when the ticket app demands Location access "to protect your security"
- crazygringo 6mo ago
  You can set location to only while you're using the app. And when you open it to scan the ticket, they already know where you are. You're at the entrance to the stadium where they scan your tickets.
  - tomwheeler 6mo ago
    And that's when you find out the app considers this usage pattern as a signal of fraud, so then you can't get into the event and have no recourse. Their app, their rules, your loss.
    - crazygringo 6mo ago
      Sorry but you've made that up. That's not a thing. I saw your other comment, and that was your fault for not having access to your own e-mail account. Asking you to sign in with a verification code isn't blocking your ticket with "no recourse". Not to mention, you can usually just go to the ticket office and they can look up your ticket if your app isn't working. Obviously they don't advertise this because they don't have enough people to handle if everybody did that. But they're not trying to lock you out from your own ticket.
      - jjulius 6mo ago
        >I saw your other comment, and that was your fault for not having access to your own e-mail account. That's the point, though - we shouldn't need always-on, 24/7-access to email for everything always and forever. You're just victim-blaming at this point. >Sorry but you've made that up. That's not a thing. I have a very fun and exciting story about being locked out of my Google Wallet account for that very thing while on vacation. My primary Google account is still banned from performing any monetary transactions as a result, 10+ years later.
        crazygringo 6mo ago
        If you need to log in to something, yes you need always-on, 24-7 access to email or to SMS depending on how the service/account is configured. That's a very common form of 2FA. I'm not victim-blaming, this is just bog-standard security. And what I said is "not a thing" is TicketMaster preventing you from entering an event because you've changed location and that you "have no recourse". You definitely have recourse, there are a number of ways, just like it seems like that person did.
        jjulius 6mo ago
        Again, the point is that that shouldn't need to be how things function. That you ignore that point of my comment and continue to blame the person for not adhering to how things are misses the point and just continues this circular conversation. Enjoy your day.
        crazygringo 6mo ago
        Companies don't implement security measures for the fun of it. They do it to prevent hacking, theft, and fraud. So funny, HN is usually pro-security and pro-2FA. This conversation isn't circular, you're the one who seems to be missing that this is just standard practice, and for good reason. People try to pull all kinds of scams with tickets. Requiring you merely to log in with 2FA is not problematic.
      - 6mo ago
jjulius 6mo ago
>If you don't give the app any permissions, it doesn't spy on you either. We're talking about an 81 year-old who has never had a smartphone before and you're starting the sentence with "if"? And that's just that app, not the phone itself or anything else that someone brand new to, and ignorant towards, this ecosystem is going to encounter and not know what to do with.
M95D 6mo ago
> If you don't give the app any permissions, it doesn't spy on you either. What about the other apps? What about the phone itself?
- crazygringo 6mo ago
  The guy already has a phone. Flip phones still track your location. If you don't want other apps, don't install other apps.
  - jjulius 6mo ago
    >The guy already has a phone. Flip phones still track your location. Locations from flip phones have to be triangulated. Smartphones track more precise locations and a lot more than just location data.
    - crazygringo 6mo ago
      Great. If you're that paranoid, only turn your phone on to buy the tickets and when you're at the stadium. And don't use it for anything else. This dude has previously paid hundreds of dollars per year because he wanted custom-printed tickets. He can pay a hundred for a cheapo Android to use exclusively for tickets and not give up any privacy at all, if he's more paranoid about tracking than the other 99+% of the population who uses smartphones just fine.
vaylian 6mo ago
> It doesn't have any more information than the info you give it to buy the tickets in the first place. Many apps ask for permission to use your GPS position and other sensor data, even though they don't need it. Most non-technical people don't understand what that means and will just allow it.
- raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
  I have absolutely never in 15+ years of having an iPhone had an app ask for GPS or sensor data when it clearly wasn’t necessary for functionality like a maps app or Uber.
  - graemep 6mo ago
    What is clearly necessary? I have had a supermarket app (on Android, I do not know the behaviour of the Apple app) ask for location to direct me to their click and collect point, but then keep requesting location data afterwards.
    - raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
      On iOS, once an app requests a permission once, it is never again allowed to request that permission, the dialog won’t show.
- crazygringo 6mo ago
  > Many apps ask for permission to use your GPS position and other sensor data, even though they don't need it. What on earth are you talking about? I've installed hundreds of apps in my life and literally never seen that.
  - deleted 6mo ago
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