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Not claude code specific, but I've been noticing this on Opus 4.6 models through Copilot and others as well. Whenever the phrase "simplest fix" appears, it's ti
by summarity 6mo ago
Not claude code specific, but I've been noticing this on Opus 4.6 models through Copilot and others as well. Whenever the phrase "simplest fix" appears, it's time to pull the emergency break. This has gotten much, much worse over the past few weeks. It will produce completely useless code, knowingly (because up to that phrase the reasoning was correct) breaking things.
Today another thing started happening which are phrases like "I've been burning too many tokens" or "this has taken too many turns". Which ironically takes more tokens of custom instructions to override.
Also claude itself is partially down right now (Arp 6, 6pm CEST): https://status.claude.com/ https://status.claude.com/
- simooooo 6mo agoHow complex are we talking? I one shotted a game boy emulator in <6 minutes today
- root_axis 6mo agoThere are countless reference examples online, that's just a slower, buggier, and more expensive git clone.
- TimTheTinker 6mo agoYep. If you ask Claude to create a drop-in replacement for an open-source project that passes 100% of the test suite of the project, it will basically plagiarize the project wholesale, even if you changed some of the requirements.
- whateveracct 6mo agotry one shotting something actually original and see how it goes i keep getting nonsense
- nubinetwork 6mo agoA full emulator in 6 minutes? I gotta call BS... I've been working on a SPC700 audio editor in the background as a side project, and implementing the cpu has taken at least 2 hours, and I still haven't implemented all of the opcodes.
- mikepurvis 6mo agoThat helps explain why my sessions signed themselves out and won't log back in.
- me_vinayakakv 6mo agoI just experienced this some time ago and could not sign in still. Their status page shows everything is okay.
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- andoando 6mo agoIve been noticing something similar recently. If somethings not working out itll be like "Ok this isnt working out, lets just switch to doing this other thing instead you explicitly said not to do". For example I wanted to get VNC working with PopOS Cosmic and itll be like ah its ok well just install sway and thatll work!
- rootnod3 6mo ago[flagged]
- andoando 6mo ago?
- satvikpendem 6mo agoThey're saying just do it yourself instead of trying to herd an unpredictable animal to your bidding like an LLM.
- albert_e 6mo agoExperienced this -- was repeatedly directing CC to use Claude in Chrome extension to interact with a webpage and it was repeatedly invoking Playwright MCP instead.
- robotswantdata 6mo agoIt’s as if it gives up, I respond keep going with original plan, you can do it champ!
- RALaBarge 6mo agoI actually submitted an upstream patch for Cosmic-Comp thanks to Claude on Saturday. I wanted to play Guild Wars remake and something was going on with the mouse and moving the camera. We had it fixed in no time and now shit is working great.
- giwook 6mo agoI think in general we need to be highly critical of anything LLMs tell us.
- pixel_popping 6mo agoClaude code shows: OAuth error: timeout of 15000ms exceeded
- giwook 6mo agoMaybe a local or intermittent issue? Working for me.
- pixel_popping 6mo agoSeems solved now indeed.
- pixel_popping 6mo agoIt's a bit insane that they can't figure out a cryptographic way for the delivery of the Claude Code Token, what's the point of going online to validate the OAuth AFTER being issued the code, can't they use signatures?
- rootnod3 6mo agoThe cope is hard. Just at this point admit that the LLM tech is doomed and sucks.
- randomNumber7 6mo agoJust because some people try to use a hammer as a screwdriver it doesn't follow that the hammer sucks.
- r_lee 6mo agohow is it "doomed"?
- selfmodruntime 6mo agoThe cost far outweighs the profits.
- lukewarm707 6mo agoi am already on api tokens for the chinese open source models and no subscriptions. these are all available in the original form open source and priced above the inference cost. i think this is the long term option. zero degradation in speed or quality seen.
- jeremyjh 6mo agoSo you see better performance with the API plans than the subscriptions?
- subscribed 6mo agoBut it was clearly really food before the regression, the original link (analysis) says as much.
- robwwilliams 6mo agoYes, and over the last few weeks I have noticed that on long-context discussions Opus 4.6e does its best to encourage me to call it a day and wrap it up; repeatedly. Mother Anthropic is giving preprompts to Claude to terminate early and in my case always prematurely.
- logicchains 6mo agoTry Codex, it's a breath of fresh air in that regard, tries to do as much as it can.
- TonyAlicea10 6mo agoI've noticed this as well. "Now you should stop X and go do Y" is a phrase I see repeated a lot. Claude seems primed to instruct me to stop using it.
- lukewarm707 6mo agoas someone who uses deepseek, glm and kimi models exclusively, an llm telling me what to do is just off the wall glm and kimi in particular, they can't stop writing... seriously very eager to please. always finishing with fireworks emoji and saying how pleased it is with the test working. i have to say to write less documentation and simplify their code.
- otabdeveloper4 6mo agoLLMs are next token predictors. Outputting tokens is what they do, and the natural steady-state for them is an infinite loop of endlessly generated tokens. You need to train them on a special "stop token" to get them to act more human. (Whether explicitly in post-training or with system prompt hacks.) This isn't a general solution to the problem and likely there will never be one.
- onlyrealcuzzo 6mo ago> Whenever the phrase "simplest fix" appears, it's time to pull the emergency break. Second! In CLAUDE.md, I have a full section NOT to ever do this, and how to ACTUALLY fix something. This has helped enormously.
- bowersbros 6mo agoAny chance you could share those sections of your claude file? I've been using Claude a bit lately but mostly with manual changes, not got much in the way of the claude file yet and interested in how to improve it
- onlyrealcuzzo 6mo agohttps://github.com/cuzzo/easy-vm/blob/master/CLAUDE.md https://github.com/cuzzo/easy-vm/blob/master/CLAUDE.md
- LeoPanthera 6mo agoTypo - "proove". "Prove" only has one O.
- onlyrealcuzzo 6mo agoThank you!
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- talim 6mo agoWhat wording do you use for this, if you don't mind? This thread is a revelation, I have sworn that I've seen it do this "wait... the simplest fix is to [use some horrible hack that disregards the spec]" much more often lately so I'm glad it's not just me. However I'm not sure how to best prompt against that behavior without influencing it towards swinging the other way and looking for the most intentionally overengineered solutions instead...
- psadauskas 6mo agoI need to add another agent that watches the first, and pulls the plug whenever it detects "Wait, I see the problem now..."
- nikanj 6mo ago”I can’t make this api work for my client. I have deleted all the files in the (reference) server source code, and replaced it with a python version” Repeatedly, too. Had to make the server reference sources read-only as I got tired of having to copy them over repeatedly
- mavamaarten 6mo agoHaha yeah. I once asked it to make a field in an API response nullable, and to gracefully handle cases where that might be an issue (it was really easy, I was just lazy and could have done it myself, but I thought it was the perfect task for my AI idiot intern to handle). Sure, it said. Then it was bored of the task and just deleted the field altogether.
- j45 6mo agoCertain phrases invoke an over-response trying to course correct which makes it worse because it's inclined to double down on the wrong path it's already on.
- iterateoften 6mo agoYeah it’s so frustrating to have to constantly ask for the best solution, not the easiest / quickest / less disruptive. I have in Claude md that it’s a greenfield project, only present complete holistic solutions not fast patches, etc. but still I have to watch its output.
- selfmodruntime 6mo agoTime's up and money is tight. The downgrade was bound to happen.