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Putting someone on a (most) wanted list is "doxing"? [Edit] "An international search is underway for Daniil Maksimovich SHCHUKIN on suspicion of numerous count
by KingOfCoders 6mo ago
Putting someone on a (most) wanted list is "doxing"?
[Edit] "An international search is underway for Daniil Maksimovich SHCHUKIN on suspicion of numerous counts of gang-related and commercial extortion using ransomware to the detriment of commercial enterprises, public facilities, and institutions."
- mc32 6mo agoUnfortunately language tends to get diluted. Nowadays in pop culture it means publishing anyone's personal information, usually against their wishes.
- KingOfCoders 6mo ago“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
- Aurornis 6mo agoThis does seem close to the original intent of "doxxing", where information ("dox") is publicized that connects a real-world identity to a previously anonymous online persona. These are hackers in the classic sense who were going out of their way to stay anonymous. The dilution of the word doxxing has been interesting, though. Some of the recent "doxxing" controversies have been about figures who weren't all that anonymous to begin with. The pop culture meaning has been extended to cover any mention of someone's real identity at all, even if it wasn't a secret.
- lovich 6mo agoBeyond diluting it also seems that people are increasingly under the impression that internet rules are also the same in real life. I’ve been seeing it come up in discussions about court cases where people are under the belief that requiring online personalities real names in the court documents is somehow illegal because it’s doxxing.
- ffsm8 6mo agoIt's just the usual millennials and zoomers finding out that their fantasies aren't actually how the world works Most of us grew up on the Internet, and consequently our world view is incredibly screwed and not particularly based on facts
- lovich 6mo agoI grew up on the internet but early enough that the phrase “the internet isn’t real life” was bandied about, which I think made it easier to understand the different set of rules existing.
- ffsm8 6mo agoIsn't that belief the source of the issue? The Internet is real life, that's why the judicial documents will cite the real names of the people, wherever they want to or not. There aren't different sets of rules, the real lifea rules apply everywhere. You may just also have additional conventions some people may follow online, too. Entirely optional and liable to go out the window as soon as there is a conflict
- moomin 6mo agoYeah, I’m not okay with this. Doxxing is a term with an extremely negative connotation and is often done to people who, bluntly, weren’t hiding or doing anything wrong. The correct term for the same act here is either “accuse” or “unmask”.
- embedding-shape 6mo agoIf someone wasn't previously known, only an alias or alter-ego, but you then link those together with a real-life identity, that's very much the definition of "doxxing", at least the original definition, maybe it's different today? Positive or negative doesn't really matter, just like "shooting" or "jumping" in itself isn't positive or negative, it's just a verb.
- rwmj 6mo agoIf you want an alias that's fine, just don't use it to do crimes.
- usrusr 6mo agoAnd if the police actually catches the accused and puts them in jail, is that kidnapping? Most verbs have far more semantics than just the most basic before/after state diff.
- embedding-shape 6mo agoWell, no, kidnapping is unlawful abduction. But abduction is always abduction, regardless of who does it, police can abduct people too, but when criminals do so, we call it kidnapping, since it's illegal. Not sure what point you were trying to make, but I think it failed to land properly.
- mschild 6mo ago"Doxing" has negative connotations. Its almost always associated with a private person (ie not police or anyone of a judicial system) releasing personal information with malicious intent. As the person above you said, semantics are important. This is a judicial system specifically searching for a person they believe to have caused severe criminal harm.
- embedding-shape 6mo ago> Putting someone on a (most) wanted list is "doxing"? No, if they just put UNKN on the most wanted list, then it wouldn't be doxing. But then they also tie UNKN together with "Daniil Maksimovich Shchukin", and that's the doxxing, regardless or not if it's on a most wanted list.
- KingOfCoders 6mo agoI think this is not how wanted lists work, here in Germany at least. Do they work this way where you are living? The goal of wanted lists in Germany is to find the person the police is searching for to put them in front of a court if the prosecution can make a case. Perhaps this goes back to leftist terrorism in Germany in the 1970s, they would not use the code names of terrorists on the wanted lists but their real names to find them, because this is what they wanted - but I don't know.
- embedding-shape 6mo agoWhat do you mean "this is not how wanted lists work"? The goal everywhere is to find the people on the wanted list, that's why they're called "wanted" in the first place. Is there something in my comment indicating I don't believe wanted lists are for finding people?
- KingOfCoders 6mo ago"No, if they just put UNKN on the most wanted list, then it wouldn't be doxing." I misread that as it either would be the thing to do or an alternative option and you were against putting names on a wanted list.
- embedding-shape 6mo agoNo, I was just trying to clarify that the "doxxing" part is not the "add $name to $list" but "tie $alias to $real-name".
- busterarm 6mo agoalso it seems the US had already identified him 3 years prior?
- stuckkeys 6mo agoI do not understand this logic either. They take GDPR way too serious haha. JK obv.
- sixothree 6mo agoWait. Is that what's happening here? Are they expecting the international criminal to be given a right to privacy until he's convicted?