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Here in Japan they ask you your current salary (it's even mandatory by most companies), so it's easier here :) ... :(

by alebaffa 6mo ago

coolandsmartrr 6mo ago
That’s why you have to get competing offers
weregiraffe 6mo ago
And if you lie?
- onion2k 6mo ago
  It works the same way here in the UK. Some companies ask your previous salary, and sometimes check your references, and sometimes your previous employer will disclose what your salary was. If it turns out you lied nothing bad happens, but you've just given your new employer a reason to dismiss you. The main problem with the UK system is that it means that if you were underpaid before you're likely to continue to be underpaid in your next role (if you accept a low salary again). For that reason when I'm hiring I've stopped asking for someone's previous salary, and just ask them what they want instead. If it's in the right ballpark everyone's happy. If they lowball themselves I ask why and usually get "That's x% more than I'm on now.", which leads to a conversation about how they're underpaid and should be asking for more. If they ask for too much then I just don't hire them because I can't afford them. There's a new law coming in where companies have to disclose salary bands now, which at least means people will understand the bottom end. That's going to make the salary negotiation part of hiring a lot easier.
  - bojan 6mo ago
    > and sometimes your previous employer will disclose what your salary was How is this even legal?
    - ragall 6mo ago
      I suspect it's not, but it's also hard to prove something has occurred in private communication between third parties.
  - AlBugdy 6mo ago
    > For that reason when I'm hiring I've stopped asking for someone's previous salary, and just ask them what they want instead. Why don't you post what you're paying in the job ad/offer? Some people even skip ads without a salary or a salary range because of all the uncertainty. As a potential employee somewhere, you've obviously already calculated a range or a fixed number - so why ask the employee?
    - onion2k 6mo ago
      Everyone just says the top of the range.
- mghackerlady 6mo ago
  It's japan, they're a high trust society

Here in Japan they ask you your current salary (it's even mandatory by most companies), so it's easier here :) ... :(

coolandsmartrr 6mo ago

That’s why you have to get competing offers

weregiraffe 6mo ago

And if you lie?

onion2k 6mo ago
It works the same way here in the UK. Some companies ask your previous salary, and sometimes check your references, and sometimes your previous employer will disclose what your salary was. If it turns out you lied nothing bad happens, but you've just given your new employer a reason to dismiss you. The main problem with the UK system is that it means that if you were underpaid before you're likely to continue to be underpaid in your next role (if you accept a low salary again). For that reason when I'm hiring I've stopped asking for someone's previous salary, and just ask them what they want instead. If it's in the right ballpark everyone's happy. If they lowball themselves I ask why and usually get "That's x% more than I'm on now.", which leads to a conversation about how they're underpaid and should be asking for more. If they ask for too much then I just don't hire them because I can't afford them. There's a new law coming in where companies have to disclose salary bands now, which at least means people will understand the bottom end. That's going to make the salary negotiation part of hiring a lot easier.
- bojan 6mo ago
  > and sometimes your previous employer will disclose what your salary was How is this even legal?
  - ragall 6mo ago
    I suspect it's not, but it's also hard to prove something has occurred in private communication between third parties.
- AlBugdy 6mo ago
  > For that reason when I'm hiring I've stopped asking for someone's previous salary, and just ask them what they want instead. Why don't you post what you're paying in the job ad/offer? Some people even skip ads without a salary or a salary range because of all the uncertainty. As a potential employee somewhere, you've obviously already calculated a range or a fixed number - so why ask the employee?
  - onion2k 6mo ago
    Everyone just says the top of the range.
mghackerlady 6mo ago
It's japan, they're a high trust society