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Anecdotally, I would actually argue tbe opposite - Anthropic is overrated, ass-kissed way too much here for mediocre coding abilities (especially for Elixir). C

by neya 6mo ago

Anecdotally, I would actually argue tbe opposite - Anthropic is overrated, ass-kissed way too much here for mediocre coding abilities (especially for Elixir). ChatGPT most of the time one-shots complex solutions in comparison. The only reason why people shit on OpenAI so much is because of the defence deal, but, it's not like Anthropic is a saint either: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/12/anthropic-gives-20-million-to-group-pushing-for-ai-regulations-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/12/anthropic-gives-20-million-t...

phinnaeus 6mo ago
Why pick elixir specifically here? I’m using opus/sonnet via Claude code for a moderately complex personal project built on phoenix and have had a good experience
- FireBeyond 6mo ago
  Yeah, I've been building a fairly complex app with Claude and it has been great. Backend stack is a Go service, with TS front end and a solver running or-tools in Python. I do think I do a good job of being very structured at breaking down my requirements and acceptance criteria (thanks dual lives as a devops and SRE guy and then PM). Extensive unit testing, discipline in use of sessions and memories and asking it to think of questions it should be asking me before even formulating a plan.
- neya 6mo ago
  Claude is good, I'm definitely not saying it's bad. But if you work with LiveView, it will tend to choose more complexity over simplicity. Weirdly enough I have a feeling it's trained more on Python/Ruby (Object oriented paradigms) style code than functional code, so it tries to get things done not so functionally.
ls612 6mo ago
Claude Code is IMO the benchmark today. For all of the various contexts I’ve used it in it has mostly oneshot the tasks I’ve given it and is very user friendly for someone who is not a professional software engineer. To the extent it fails I can usually figure out quickly why and correct it at a high level.
- csharpminor 6mo ago
  I think Codex is a better fit for professional software engineers. It's able to one-shot larger, more complex tasks than Claude and also does better context management which is really important in a large codebase. On the other hand, I think Claude is more friendly/readable and also still better at producing out-of-the-box nice looking frontend.
- neya 6mo ago
  > not a professional software engineer I think this is where we might have differing opinions. I'm a CTO by profession and I know what bad code is, so it is quite easy for me, based on my professional experience, point out when Claude generates bad code. And when you point it out, or ask it why it didn't take the correct/simpler approach - the response is always along the lines of "Oops, sorry!" or "You're absolutely right to question that..."
  - ATMLOTTOBEER 6mo ago
    Yeah my CTO says similar things. I usually just tell him to add it to the backlog and move on. At the end of the day these tools save us 3-4 eng hires and that’s what the board cares about
heeton 6mo ago
Anecdotally, Claude has worked far better for our elixir team than the others we’ve tried.
dgellow 6mo ago
> it's not like Anthropic is a saint either: I’m so confused. Your link shows they are pushing for guardrails, what is bad about that? It is consistent with Anthropic safety-first principles, and what Dario wrote and talked about for the past decade or so? Could you be more direct with your criticism? Otherwise it’s hard to engage with
anthonypasq 6mo ago
cant take anyone seriously who thinks > ChatGPT most of the time one-shots complex solutions in comparison is an intelligible sentence.
- LoFiSamurai 6mo ago
  Hmm. I can definitely understand what the author was saying. Paraphrased: ChatGPT often completes complex solutions in one try whereas Claude does not (or performs less well). I guess you can’t take me seriously?
  - anthonypasq 6mo ago
    no i cant. chatgpt is a mobile app/website, not a model or agentic harness. if you are confusing these things then sadly you have no idea whats going on.
brookst 6mo ago
Strange take, I wasn’t lionizing Anthropic at all, and certainly wasn’t being preachy or moralistic. I shit on OpenAI because they had a completely clear path to being dominant in consumer and enterprise, in chatbot and coding agent, and in text, image, and video. And somehow they screwed it up by being unfocused, unnecessarily slimy, drama-ridden, and slow to react to the market. OpenAI has a lot of good tech and some good product. They may yet succeed. But they embody the lazy hare partying with celebs while the tortoises pull ahead in the race.

by neya 6mo ago

phinnaeus 6mo ago

Why pick elixir specifically here? I’m using opus/sonnet via Claude code for a moderately complex personal project built on phoenix and have had a good experience

FireBeyond 6mo ago
Yeah, I've been building a fairly complex app with Claude and it has been great. Backend stack is a Go service, with TS front end and a solver running or-tools in Python. I do think I do a good job of being very structured at breaking down my requirements and acceptance criteria (thanks dual lives as a devops and SRE guy and then PM). Extensive unit testing, discipline in use of sessions and memories and asking it to think of questions it should be asking me before even formulating a plan.
neya 6mo ago
Claude is good, I'm definitely not saying it's bad. But if you work with LiveView, it will tend to choose more complexity over simplicity. Weirdly enough I have a feeling it's trained more on Python/Ruby (Object oriented paradigms) style code than functional code, so it tries to get things done not so functionally.

ls612 6mo ago

Claude Code is IMO the benchmark today. For all of the various contexts I’ve used it in it has mostly oneshot the tasks I’ve given it and is very user friendly for someone who is not a professional software engineer. To the extent it fails I can usually figure out quickly why and correct it at a high level.

csharpminor 6mo ago
I think Codex is a better fit for professional software engineers. It's able to one-shot larger, more complex tasks than Claude and also does better context management which is really important in a large codebase. On the other hand, I think Claude is more friendly/readable and also still better at producing out-of-the-box nice looking frontend.
neya 6mo ago
> not a professional software engineer I think this is where we might have differing opinions. I'm a CTO by profession and I know what bad code is, so it is quite easy for me, based on my professional experience, point out when Claude generates bad code. And when you point it out, or ask it why it didn't take the correct/simpler approach - the response is always along the lines of "Oops, sorry!" or "You're absolutely right to question that..."
- ATMLOTTOBEER 6mo ago
  Yeah my CTO says similar things. I usually just tell him to add it to the backlog and move on. At the end of the day these tools save us 3-4 eng hires and that’s what the board cares about

heeton 6mo ago

Anecdotally, Claude has worked far better for our elixir team than the others we’ve tried.

dgellow 6mo ago

> it's not like Anthropic is a saint either: I’m so confused. Your link shows they are pushing for guardrails, what is bad about that? It is consistent with Anthropic safety-first principles, and what Dario wrote and talked about for the past decade or so? Could you be more direct with your criticism? Otherwise it’s hard to engage with

anthonypasq 6mo ago

cant take anyone seriously who thinks > ChatGPT most of the time one-shots complex solutions in comparison is an intelligible sentence.

LoFiSamurai 6mo ago
Hmm. I can definitely understand what the author was saying. Paraphrased: ChatGPT often completes complex solutions in one try whereas Claude does not (or performs less well). I guess you can’t take me seriously?
- anthonypasq 6mo ago
  no i cant. chatgpt is a mobile app/website, not a model or agentic harness. if you are confusing these things then sadly you have no idea whats going on.

brookst 6mo ago

Strange take, I wasn’t lionizing Anthropic at all, and certainly wasn’t being preachy or moralistic. I shit on OpenAI because they had a completely clear path to being dominant in consumer and enterprise, in chatbot and coding agent, and in text, image, and video. And somehow they screwed it up by being unfocused, unnecessarily slimy, drama-ridden, and slow to react to the market. OpenAI has a lot of good tech and some good product. They may yet succeed. But they embody the lazy hare partying with celebs while the tortoises pull ahead in the race.