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Does it matter that codex is now as good as claude code? Check dev spaces like twitter and discord and all anyone talks about is claude-code, openclaw, opus 4.

Does it matter that codex is now as good as claude code? Check dev spaces like twitter and discord and all anyone talks about is claude-code, openclaw, opus 4.6 etc. The mindshare went to anthropic.

nickstinemates 6mo ago
that's why openai bought openclaw
- phist_mcgee 6mo ago
  I mean they hired the guy who created it. It's not exactly like openclaw is a real product.
  - oofbey 6mo ago
    Also not like it’s a particularly good piece of tech. It was the first to show a new category. But jeebus the design and security are a nightmare. Any of the numerous other claws are better choices for anything serious.
  - nickstinemates 6mo ago
    Sure it is.. you can download and use it right now. Helps you understand why people are interested in it, at the very least.
efromvt 6mo ago
Just like OpenAI's original moat, I don't think that's particularly durable. I've already seen plenty of people swing back to preferring codex, and it'll probably swap again with the next model drop. Openclaw is potentially better integrated with ChatGPT at this point because of the explicit subscription support.
jjfoooo4 6mo ago
Nothing about AI mindshare is durable. As Anthropic tightens rate limits and/or raises prices, everyone will move to something else. This week I’ve been hitting CC rate limits, and I switched to Codex with virtually no disruption to my workflow. It’s not good for Anthropic that I was able to do that!
- acdha 6mo ago
  One of the things I’ve been wanting to see is basically an estimate of their minimum revenue to meet investor expectations, too. I’ve heard people talking about using even cheaper local models aggressively to save on tokens and it increasingly makes me wonder if they’re caught in a vice where prices need to go up but if they raise them they’ll just shed usage to the competition, especially since at least Google has a much longer runway.
  - jjfoooo4 6mo ago
    That is 100% what I think is going to happen. I wrote about it here: https://tombedor.dev/open-source-models/ https://tombedor.dev/open-source-models/

Does it matter that codex is now as good as claude code? Check dev spaces like twitter and discord and all anyone talks about is claude-code, openclaw, opus 4.6 etc. The mindshare went to anthropic.

nickstinemates 6mo ago

that's why openai bought openclaw

phist_mcgee 6mo ago
I mean they hired the guy who created it. It's not exactly like openclaw is a real product.
- oofbey 6mo ago
  Also not like it’s a particularly good piece of tech. It was the first to show a new category. But jeebus the design and security are a nightmare. Any of the numerous other claws are better choices for anything serious.
- nickstinemates 6mo ago
  Sure it is.. you can download and use it right now. Helps you understand why people are interested in it, at the very least.

efromvt 6mo ago

Just like OpenAI's original moat, I don't think that's particularly durable. I've already seen plenty of people swing back to preferring codex, and it'll probably swap again with the next model drop. Openclaw is potentially better integrated with ChatGPT at this point because of the explicit subscription support.

jjfoooo4 6mo ago

Nothing about AI mindshare is durable. As Anthropic tightens rate limits and/or raises prices, everyone will move to something else. This week I’ve been hitting CC rate limits, and I switched to Codex with virtually no disruption to my workflow. It’s not good for Anthropic that I was able to do that!

acdha 6mo ago
One of the things I’ve been wanting to see is basically an estimate of their minimum revenue to meet investor expectations, too. I’ve heard people talking about using even cheaper local models aggressively to save on tokens and it increasingly makes me wonder if they’re caught in a vice where prices need to go up but if they raise them they’ll just shed usage to the competition, especially since at least Google has a much longer runway.
- jjfoooo4 6mo ago
  That is 100% what I think is going to happen. I wrote about it here: https://tombedor.dev/open-source-models/ https://tombedor.dev/open-source-models/