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Vibe coding requires the sota models to work at all, but someone who knows what they are doing and uses the AI more responsibly can absolutely use the cheaper C

Vibe coding requires the sota models to work at all, but someone who knows what they are doing and uses the AI more responsibly can absolutely use the cheaper Chinese models for coding, and they’re often faster too. If I was one of the big players my entire focus would be on lobbying for regulation and outright banning of local models.

storus 7mo ago
Yeah, Qwen3 coder for Claude Code and 3.5 for OpenClaw replaced my full-stack use of Opus 4.6 already; it's fine for basic web apps, k8s/docker infra setup, optimizing AI models etc. with only slightly higher error rate than Opus. Upcoming 3.6 together with Gemma4 might make it even better (still to test). OpenAI's memory spot market play might have been directed at local inference as well.
- nothinkjustai 7mo ago
  Look for Deepseek 4 when it drops, I’m curious how good it will be. The thing is, if you’re using AI responsibly today you’re already breaking down tasks to such a granular level that you don’t need the power of Opus. You can save that for deeper research tasks.
  - storus 7mo ago
    Based on the current DeepSeek website I suspect it's not going to be great as their current model (V3.4? V4-mini?) often forgets or changes facts explicitly mentioned in the conversation which R1 never did. It's better than R1 at math or coding, but nearly unusable for deep conversation. I suspect they pushed MLA or linear attention too much, or quantize a lot more than before.
solid_fuel 7mo ago
> Vibe coding requires the sota models to work at all I've been hearing that vibe coding is the future for at least the past year but somehow it always requires the newest model, and all the "old" models produce trash results. Why is that?
- satvikpendem 7mo ago
  Because expectations on what could feasibly be vibe coded have changed. Before with older, worse models it was only toy projects that were expected but now with better models it's much larger enterprise apps.
- throwatdem12311 7mo ago
  Doesn’t matter if the current model creates bugs they can’t fix - in 6 months the next model will be such a huge improvement that THEY will fix it. What about the bugs that model makes? Well the next model will fix them of course! Just keep giving us money and we’ll fix your bugs for you, no worries!

storus 7mo ago

Yeah, Qwen3 coder for Claude Code and 3.5 for OpenClaw replaced my full-stack use of Opus 4.6 already; it's fine for basic web apps, k8s/docker infra setup, optimizing AI models etc. with only slightly higher error rate than Opus. Upcoming 3.6 together with Gemma4 might make it even better (still to test). OpenAI's memory spot market play might have been directed at local inference as well.

nothinkjustai 7mo ago
Look for Deepseek 4 when it drops, I’m curious how good it will be. The thing is, if you’re using AI responsibly today you’re already breaking down tasks to such a granular level that you don’t need the power of Opus. You can save that for deeper research tasks.
- storus 7mo ago
  Based on the current DeepSeek website I suspect it's not going to be great as their current model (V3.4? V4-mini?) often forgets or changes facts explicitly mentioned in the conversation which R1 never did. It's better than R1 at math or coding, but nearly unusable for deep conversation. I suspect they pushed MLA or linear attention too much, or quantize a lot more than before.

solid_fuel 7mo ago

> Vibe coding requires the sota models to work at all I've been hearing that vibe coding is the future for at least the past year but somehow it always requires the newest model, and all the "old" models produce trash results. Why is that?

satvikpendem 7mo ago
Because expectations on what could feasibly be vibe coded have changed. Before with older, worse models it was only toy projects that were expected but now with better models it's much larger enterprise apps.
throwatdem12311 7mo ago
Doesn’t matter if the current model creates bugs they can’t fix - in 6 months the next model will be such a huge improvement that THEY will fix it. What about the bugs that model makes? Well the next model will fix them of course! Just keep giving us money and we’ll fix your bugs for you, no worries!