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Oats are just carbs. > You can enrich it with bananas or goji berries for extra nutrients. "extra nutrients" are more carbs. > it’s healthy I don't think th

Oats are just carbs. > You can enrich it with bananas or goji berries for extra nutrients. "extra nutrients" are more carbs. > it’s healthy I don't think that a whole meal without a good protein source can be considered "healthy"

John23832 7mo ago
Oats are soluble fiber, which the vast majority of people are deficient in.
- vova_hn2 7mo ago
  Okay, but it doesn't address the issue of having a whole meal with barely any protein.
  - Blackthorn 7mo ago
    2 servings of rolled oats: 300 calories, 10g protein. Barely any?
  - mikestew 7mo ago
    That’s begging the question, you have to first establish the need for protein at every meal. And I’m not even going to begin to address that digression.
    - vova_hn2 7mo ago
      There is basically no downsides to eating too much protein and there are a lot of potential problems if you eat too little. Of course, you can carefully design other meals to be more protein-heavy, just because of your weird idea of a having an (almost)no-protein meal. But it is much easier to make it a habit to include at least one high protein food in every meal.
      - gnabgib 7mo ago
        Err.. what? Kidney damage, inflammation, constipation, bloating, nutrient deficiency, potential heart problems, kidney stones. There's lots of downside of eating too much protein. https://www.health.com/too-much-protein-side-effects-11894852 https://www.health.com/too-much-protein-side-effects-1189485...
        vova_hn2 7mo ago
        You just googled or asked a chatbot to find you an article and haven't actually read it, have you? #1 literally says > For people with healthy kidneys, higher protein intake is generally safe. #2 addresses the issues of some specific diets ("very-low-carb or ketogenic diets") that "may be low in fiber-rich carbohydrates". I did not advocate for "very-low-carb or ketogenic diets". Also, it doesn't say anything about potential harms of protein itself. #3 "It Can Crowd Out Other Nutrients" Again, no mention of supposed "harms of too much protein", only harms of "too little everything else". I never suggested to go crazy and stop eating other foods. #4 deals with "type of protein" that "may be just as important as the amount of protein" and is irrelevant to your argument. #5 > A very high-protein diet, particularly one high in animal foods, can increase the risk of kidney stones, especially for people with a history of these conditions or those who don’t drink enough water. Well, just drink enough water then. Also, I was talking about generally healthy people. I am not qualified to discuss diet choices of people "with a history of these conditions". #6 "Protein Bars and Powders Can Backfire" I never suggested any of this. Also, this doesn't address supposed harms of protein itself, so it is irrelevant again.
        gnabgib 7mo ago
        No, I'm interested in nutrition, I backed up the risks with a link. Complex carbs and simple carbs are not the same (your original dismissal). Fiber is important for everyone, there's studies that show too little fiber is the cause of a lot of nutrition issues (possibly including IBS, which is a strange relation). Too much protein is not healthy and has risks (despite your unbacked claim). Protein rich unprocessed food is fine, it'll come with fiber.
OutOfHere 7mo ago
Unprocessed fiber-containing carbs are fairly healthy. I get protein in lunch and dinner, and I don't need my oatmeal breakfast to be protein heavy. Oatmeal for lunch doesn't make much sense in isolation.
- vova_hn2 7mo ago
  > Unprocessed fiber-containing carbs are fairly healthy. I never said that oats are unhealthy or that carbs are unhealthy. I said that a meal without protein is not the best idea. My critique was not directed at a particular food item but at the meal composition as a whole. > I get protein in lunch and dinner, and I don't need my oatmeal breakfast to be protein heavy. TFA suggests to eat oatmeal for lunch. > Oatmeal for lunch doesn't make much sense in isolation. I agree! I guess, it is possible to make oatmeal for lunch work if you up the protein and somewhat reduce carbs in breakfast and dinner, but way? I think that it is much easier to just make a habit to include a high protein food item in every meal. There is basically no downsides to eating too much protein and there are a lot of potential problems if you eat too little.
  - gib444 7mo ago
    > There is basically no downsides to eating too much protein A more nuanced opinion from the Harvard Medical School: "Can too much protein be harmful? The short answer is yes. As with most things in life, there can be too much of a good thing and if you eat too much protein, there may be a price to pay. For example, people that eat very high protein diets have a higher risk of kidney stones. Also a high protein diet that contains lots of red meat and higher amounts of saturated fat might lead to a higher risk of heart disease and colon cancer, while another high protein diet rich in plant-based proteins may not carry similar risks." [0] [0] https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-and-nutrition/when-it-comes-to-protein-how-much-is-too-much https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-and-nutrition/when-it-co...
    - vova_hn2 7mo ago
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Noumenon72 7mo ago
I add a little bit of protein and fat with a tablespoon or two of crunchy peanut butter and a handful of walnuts. Then banana or raisins for flavor.
plorkyeran 7mo ago
Oats are 1/8 protein. Dismissing "extra nutrients" as just more carbs is how you get scurvy.

John23832 7mo ago

Oats are soluble fiber, which the vast majority of people are deficient in.

vova_hn2 7mo ago
Okay, but it doesn't address the issue of having a whole meal with barely any protein.
- Blackthorn 7mo ago
  2 servings of rolled oats: 300 calories, 10g protein. Barely any?
- mikestew 7mo ago
  That’s begging the question, you have to first establish the need for protein at every meal. And I’m not even going to begin to address that digression.
  - vova_hn2 7mo ago
    There is basically no downsides to eating too much protein and there are a lot of potential problems if you eat too little. Of course, you can carefully design other meals to be more protein-heavy, just because of your weird idea of a having an (almost)no-protein meal. But it is much easier to make it a habit to include at least one high protein food in every meal.
    - gnabgib 7mo ago
      Err.. what? Kidney damage, inflammation, constipation, bloating, nutrient deficiency, potential heart problems, kidney stones. There's lots of downside of eating too much protein. https://www.health.com/too-much-protein-side-effects-11894852 https://www.health.com/too-much-protein-side-effects-1189485...
      - vova_hn2 7mo ago
        You just googled or asked a chatbot to find you an article and haven't actually read it, have you? #1 literally says > For people with healthy kidneys, higher protein intake is generally safe. #2 addresses the issues of some specific diets ("very-low-carb or ketogenic diets") that "may be low in fiber-rich carbohydrates". I did not advocate for "very-low-carb or ketogenic diets". Also, it doesn't say anything about potential harms of protein itself. #3 "It Can Crowd Out Other Nutrients" Again, no mention of supposed "harms of too much protein", only harms of "too little everything else". I never suggested to go crazy and stop eating other foods. #4 deals with "type of protein" that "may be just as important as the amount of protein" and is irrelevant to your argument. #5 > A very high-protein diet, particularly one high in animal foods, can increase the risk of kidney stones, especially for people with a history of these conditions or those who don’t drink enough water. Well, just drink enough water then. Also, I was talking about generally healthy people. I am not qualified to discuss diet choices of people "with a history of these conditions". #6 "Protein Bars and Powders Can Backfire" I never suggested any of this. Also, this doesn't address supposed harms of protein itself, so it is irrelevant again.
        gnabgib 7mo ago
        No, I'm interested in nutrition, I backed up the risks with a link. Complex carbs and simple carbs are not the same (your original dismissal). Fiber is important for everyone, there's studies that show too little fiber is the cause of a lot of nutrition issues (possibly including IBS, which is a strange relation). Too much protein is not healthy and has risks (despite your unbacked claim). Protein rich unprocessed food is fine, it'll come with fiber.

OutOfHere 7mo ago

Unprocessed fiber-containing carbs are fairly healthy. I get protein in lunch and dinner, and I don't need my oatmeal breakfast to be protein heavy. Oatmeal for lunch doesn't make much sense in isolation.

vova_hn2 7mo ago
> Unprocessed fiber-containing carbs are fairly healthy. I never said that oats are unhealthy or that carbs are unhealthy. I said that a meal without protein is not the best idea. My critique was not directed at a particular food item but at the meal composition as a whole. > I get protein in lunch and dinner, and I don't need my oatmeal breakfast to be protein heavy. TFA suggests to eat oatmeal for lunch. > Oatmeal for lunch doesn't make much sense in isolation. I agree! I guess, it is possible to make oatmeal for lunch work if you up the protein and somewhat reduce carbs in breakfast and dinner, but way? I think that it is much easier to just make a habit to include a high protein food item in every meal. There is basically no downsides to eating too much protein and there are a lot of potential problems if you eat too little.
- gib444 7mo ago
  > There is basically no downsides to eating too much protein A more nuanced opinion from the Harvard Medical School: "Can too much protein be harmful? The short answer is yes. As with most things in life, there can be too much of a good thing and if you eat too much protein, there may be a price to pay. For example, people that eat very high protein diets have a higher risk of kidney stones. Also a high protein diet that contains lots of red meat and higher amounts of saturated fat might lead to a higher risk of heart disease and colon cancer, while another high protein diet rich in plant-based proteins may not carry similar risks." [0] [0] https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-and-nutrition/when-it-comes-to-protein-how-much-is-too-much https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-and-nutrition/when-it-co...
  - vova_hn2 7mo ago
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Noumenon72 7mo ago

I add a little bit of protein and fat with a tablespoon or two of crunchy peanut butter and a handful of walnuts. Then banana or raisins for flavor.

plorkyeran 7mo ago

Oats are 1/8 protein. Dismissing "extra nutrients" as just more carbs is how you get scurvy.