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I’m very curious if we’re going to ever get another “deepseek moment. Qwen is starting to feel like it could be one. But for it to be people would have to decid

I’m very curious if we’re going to ever get another “deepseek moment. Qwen is starting to feel like it could be one. But for it to be people would have to decide to care. It took about a month, I think mid December-mid January, from the deepseek paper for the “moment” so it doesn’t necessarily have to be right away.

try-working 6mo ago
What's gone unnoticed with the Gemma 4 release is that it crowned Qwen as the small model SOTA. So for the first time a Chinese lab holds the frontier in a model category. It is a minor DeepSeek model, because western labs have to catch up with Alibaba now.
- guteubvkk 6mo ago
  on my 16 GB GPU Gemma 4 is better and faster than Qwen 3.5, both at 4-bit so it's not so clear cut
  - tmikaeld 6mo ago
    depends on usage, Gemma 4 is better on visuals/html/css and language understanding (Which probably plays a role in prompting). But it's worse at code in general compared to Qwen 3.5 27B.
  - acchow 6mo ago
    Which in the series specifically?
- lostmsu 6mo ago
  It's unnoticed because it didn't. In Google's own benchmarks they are on par, and I've seen 3rd party benchmarks where Qwen beats G4 with high margin
- irishcoffee 6mo ago
  The day a western anything will need to catch up with alibaba will be a notable day indeed. Also, this will never happen.