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Last I checked Lebanon was a separate country. So Lebanon decided to join the war against the US and Israel and now the consequences of that are Israel's fault?

by YZF 6mo ago

Last I checked Lebanon was a separate country. So Lebanon decided to join the war against the US and Israel and now the consequences of that are Israel's fault? Wow-wow just stop that bs. Without Israel people in the region would be murdering each other just like they did in Syria, in the Iran-Iraq war, in Yemen, in Lebanon's civil war etc. Maybe if those countries stopped attacking Israel they wouldn't be in war Mr. warmonger. EDIT: It's worth mentioning that an attack on another country is not a legal reason according to international law to attack a third country. The critics of Israel and the US are claiming those started an "illegal war" on Iran so by that same rationale Lebanon started an illegal war on Israel.

oa335 6mo ago
> Maybe if those countries stopped attacking Israel they wouldn't be in war Mr. warmonger. Maybe if Israel stopped violently expropriating Arab lands, and assaulting and raping Arabs without consequences. It’s really not that complicated.
- YZF 6mo ago
  This is nonsense and you know it.
  - ahhhhnoooo 6mo ago
    > Israel stopped violently expropriating Arab lands This is objectively happening in the West Bank and Gaza. > assaulting and raping Arabs without consequences. This is also objectively happening. A group of IDF soldiers were filmed raping a man to death. Their punishment? Literally nothing. They are cheered by some. You cannot possibly believe that these sorts of behaviors are helping calm things.
    - dlubarov 6mo ago
      > raping a man to death That's not true, he's alive and was released to Gaza in a hostage-for-prisoner exchange. > Their punishment? Literally nothing. It's probably hard to win a case without the victim to testify. The video is something, but far too low-quality to prove who did what beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecutors can't ignore evidentiary standards and don't like to lose cases. At least they were detained and investigated. Can you say the same of the individuals who paraded their rape victims around the streets of Gaza?
      - oa335 6mo ago
        > raping a man to death That's not true, he's alive and was released to Gaza in a hostage-for-prisoner exchange. Yes, he was merely hospitalized with life-threatening internal bleeding. However there is at least one case of a death by rape, maybe he got confused? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/24/dying-in-hell-palestinian-medics-jailed-by-israel https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/24/dying-in-hell-pale... There are so many instances of sexual violence perpetrated by Israeli security forces and settlers, it’s hard to keep track. https://web.archive.org/web/20240317080119/https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/02/1146667 https://web.archive.org/web/20240317080119/https://news.un.o... https://www.972mag.com/sde-teiman-prisoners-lawyer-mahajneh/?utm_source=972+Magazine+Newsletter https://www.972mag.com/sde-teiman-prisoners-lawyer-mahajneh/... https://youtu.be/2WKeKZ6Csro https://youtu.be/2WKeKZ6Csro https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/18/middleeast/west-bank-resident-sexual-assault-violence-intl https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/18/middleeast/west-bank-resi... https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-settlers-alleged-to-bind-strip-beat-burn-and-pee-on-palestinians-in-w-bank/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-settlers-alleged-to-bind-s... > rape victims around the streets of Gaza Most Gazans don’t believe Hamas raped anyone. It’s disingenuous to claim they were celebrating rape. Can you please share any public, non-anonymous accounts from Oct 7th either rape victims or witnesses? Conversely, Israeli politicians and protestors have explicitly agitate for the right to rape detainees. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinian-prisoner-alleged-rape-sde-teinman-abuse-protest/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinia...
        dlubarov 6mo ago
        I'm not sure what the point is of piling on different accusations. Only one has any evidence, but let's just imagine for the sake of argument that they're all true. Then Israel has at least several criminals, just like every other country on the planet. Is the idea that it's okay to post misinformation about Israelis because Israelis are bad? If I can identify several Canadian criminals, then since we've established that Canadians are bad people, is it fine to post misinformation about other Canadians?
        TimorousBestie 6mo ago
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dlubarov 6mo ago
The nonsense is the application of impossible standards like "Israel should have zero criminals" or "Israel should have a successful conviction for every suspected crime, never mind evidentiary standards". If someone wants to make a serious argument about a systematic problem in Israel, that requires data, not a few accusations. For example, at least 10 of 110 released hostages were reportedly sexually assaulted in Hamas captivity [1], and there were zero arrests for it. If Gazan detainees in Israeli custody experienced SA at the same rate, that would be over a thousand cases of SA. The parent also broadened their search to include SA allegations against Israelis in the West Bank, so they would need to show ~300k cases just to argue equivalence. If we were to accept all the parent's sources as reliable, that's 12 reported cases of SA. They're 0.004% of the way there. [1] https://apnews.com/article/sexual-assault-hamas-oct-7-attack-rape-bb06b950bb6794affb8d468cd283bc51?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://apnews.com/article/sexual-assault-hamas-oct-7-attack...
- TimorousBestie 6mo ago
  > The nonsense is the application of impossible standards like "Israel should have zero criminals" or "Israel should have a successful conviction for every suspected crime, never mind evidentiary standards". This is an aggressive misreading of OP. Many countries’ militaries are routinely criticized for the sexual assault perpetrated by their soldiers. When US soldiers do it in Okinawa, for example, they can and have been turned over to local authorities, and their actions are disavowed. [1] Criticism of this pattern of sexual assault in Okinawa is not a call for the military to uphold some “impossible standard.” If you want to try again to generate a valid counter-argument to OP you need to research SA committed by IDF soldiers and demonstrate that it falls under either 1) or 2) above, or some other form of logical refutation. Presenting yet more data about Hamas is neither effective nor persuasive to that end. [1] https://www.stripes.com/theaters/asia_pacific/2024-09-24/marine-sexual-assault-indictment-okinawa-15282600.html https://www.stripes.com/theaters/asia_pacific/2024-09-24/mar...
  - dlubarov 6mo ago
    > This is an aggressive misreading of OP. The original claim was that terrorists might stop attacking Israel if it stopped "assaulting and raping Arabs without consequences". So which way are we to read it? - Israel is being held to an impossible standard of zero crime, or a 100% conviction rate for suspected crimes. - Or Israel is being accused of having a prolific, systematic problem, with no data to support the accusation.
    - oa335 6mo ago
      > Israel is being accused of having a prolific, systematic problem, This is indeed my assertion. > no data to support the accusation. Given that you video evidence of a rape along with the documented injuries of the survivor doesn’t meet your evidentiary standards, I doubt that anything would actually convince you, but it’s well documented that Israeli’s act with impunity against Palestinians in a number of contexts. E.g. “3% of the investigations (into settler violence) ended with a conviction” https://www.yesh-din.org/en/data-sheet-law-enforcement-on-israeli-civilians-in-the-west-bank-settler-violence-2005-2024/ https://www.yesh-din.org/en/data-sheet-law-enforcement-on-is...