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Predictably there are a lot of haters on the thread, but can't we look at this as a good thing? A great browser won't be anywhere near enough to win, but a crap

Predictably there are a lot of haters on the thread, but can't we look at this as a good thing? A great browser won't be anywhere near enough to win, but a crappy browser is game over. I, for one, would like more competing platforms rather than fewer.

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aes256 14y ago
BlackBerry aren't even in the competition anymore. It's over for them.
- whatshisface 14y ago
  I would buy one, and so would pretty much any company. A vibrant developer community is a big minus for big companies with no need for custom software, because that means there will be people figuring out how to root the devices (and worms, ect). If blackberry fails in the consumer market, the commercial market will save it. As for the consumer market, who doesn't love seeing new ways to do things? Andriod and Iphone are old and boring now, and Windows Phone 8 is not my cup of tea. (Oh, just remembered firefox OS. Is that a thing still?)
  - AlexDanger 14y ago
    > If blackberry fails in the consumer market, the commercial market will save it. Why? Blackberry's grip on the corporate market was destroyed by execs coming to work with their iPhones and demanding that IT depts connect them to the corporate infrastructure. Remember, IT works for the business - not the other way around.
    - ghshephard 14y ago
      True in most cases - but, in some organizations, IT has ludicrous amounts of policy power that surpass what any rational person would think should be allocated to it. In particular, Yahoo!'s IT organization kept Blackberry's as the Mobile Platform of choice, for a company whose major future growth is going to come from Mobile Consumer usage - far longer than it ever should have. Eventually, though, somebody gets around to knocking heads, and IT typically falls in line...
runjake 14y ago
They're hating because RIM* is claiming they have the best browser. But it's all hot air, or more precisely, vaporware. It's not even on the market. And with RIM's track record, I'm not holding out for hope. * By proxy of Techvibes, which appears to be one of those tech "journalism" outfits that writes articles per what their hiring vendors tell them to.
- icefox 14y ago
  Well BB10 devices might not be for sale, but the browser has been shown off and it is part of the dev devices that developers got at BBJam in September. If you want to see a little preview of it in action checkout this preview video taken at BBJam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNTDUncA44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNTDUncA44 If you follow the link in the article to Matt's post on the RIM developer blog there are more articles on the browser and what it has: http://devblog.blackberry.com/2012/11/blackberry-10-browser-html5-standards/ http://devblog.blackberry.com/2012/11/blackberry-10-browser-... As mentioned in the video one of the neatest aspects of the browser is the fact that the chrome itself is written in HTML/JS. So the animations, transitions etc are all done by WebKit. The BlackBerry browser includes support for remote inspecting which meant not only could we host the chrome on our desktop while developing, but we could debug it from a WebKit browser on our desktop, all while it was running on the device. When you make a web application for BlackBerry10 it will be on top of the WebWorks platform which sits on top of the same HTML Runtime that the browser is using which aligned rim's interests to make sure that web applications work well. For the curious a much more in depth look at the browser and how it was made was shown at this BlackBerryJam session: http://hosting.desire2learncapture.com/RIM/1/watch/50.aspx http://hosting.desire2learncapture.com/RIM/1/watch/50.aspx Disclaimer: I am part of the WebKit team at RIM.
  - colton36 14y ago
    Have you guys managed to avoid the sluggishness issues similar to the ones Mozilla team encountered years ago when the decided to also build the chrome via XUL (HTML/JS/CSS)?
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cbhl 14y ago
As impressive as this sounds, what I want to know is whether I'll be able to use their super-standards-compliant browser as a WebView in a "hybrid" app without re-implementing arcane APIs. They had a nice web browser in their Playbooks, but it was impossible to use if you wanted to provide an "app" to wrap your spiffy "HTML5" website.

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aes256 14y ago

BlackBerry aren't even in the competition anymore. It's over for them.

whatshisface 14y ago
I would buy one, and so would pretty much any company. A vibrant developer community is a big minus for big companies with no need for custom software, because that means there will be people figuring out how to root the devices (and worms, ect). If blackberry fails in the consumer market, the commercial market will save it. As for the consumer market, who doesn't love seeing new ways to do things? Andriod and Iphone are old and boring now, and Windows Phone 8 is not my cup of tea. (Oh, just remembered firefox OS. Is that a thing still?)
- AlexDanger 14y ago
  > If blackberry fails in the consumer market, the commercial market will save it. Why? Blackberry's grip on the corporate market was destroyed by execs coming to work with their iPhones and demanding that IT depts connect them to the corporate infrastructure. Remember, IT works for the business - not the other way around.
  - ghshephard 14y ago
    True in most cases - but, in some organizations, IT has ludicrous amounts of policy power that surpass what any rational person would think should be allocated to it. In particular, Yahoo!'s IT organization kept Blackberry's as the Mobile Platform of choice, for a company whose major future growth is going to come from Mobile Consumer usage - far longer than it ever should have. Eventually, though, somebody gets around to knocking heads, and IT typically falls in line...

runjake 14y ago

They're hating because RIM* is claiming they have the best browser. But it's all hot air, or more precisely, vaporware. It's not even on the market. And with RIM's track record, I'm not holding out for hope. * By proxy of Techvibes, which appears to be one of those tech "journalism" outfits that writes articles per what their hiring vendors tell them to.

icefox 14y ago
Well BB10 devices might not be for sale, but the browser has been shown off and it is part of the dev devices that developers got at BBJam in September. If you want to see a little preview of it in action checkout this preview video taken at BBJam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNTDUncA44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNTDUncA44 If you follow the link in the article to Matt's post on the RIM developer blog there are more articles on the browser and what it has: http://devblog.blackberry.com/2012/11/blackberry-10-browser-html5-standards/ http://devblog.blackberry.com/2012/11/blackberry-10-browser-... As mentioned in the video one of the neatest aspects of the browser is the fact that the chrome itself is written in HTML/JS. So the animations, transitions etc are all done by WebKit. The BlackBerry browser includes support for remote inspecting which meant not only could we host the chrome on our desktop while developing, but we could debug it from a WebKit browser on our desktop, all while it was running on the device. When you make a web application for BlackBerry10 it will be on top of the WebWorks platform which sits on top of the same HTML Runtime that the browser is using which aligned rim's interests to make sure that web applications work well. For the curious a much more in depth look at the browser and how it was made was shown at this BlackBerryJam session: http://hosting.desire2learncapture.com/RIM/1/watch/50.aspx http://hosting.desire2learncapture.com/RIM/1/watch/50.aspx Disclaimer: I am part of the WebKit team at RIM.
- colton36 14y ago
  Have you guys managed to avoid the sluggishness issues similar to the ones Mozilla team encountered years ago when the decided to also build the chrome via XUL (HTML/JS/CSS)?
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cbhl 14y ago

As impressive as this sounds, what I want to know is whether I'll be able to use their super-standards-compliant browser as a WebView in a "hybrid" app without re-implementing arcane APIs. They had a nice web browser in their Playbooks, but it was impossible to use if you wanted to provide an "app" to wrap your spiffy "HTML5" website.