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The days of subsidized access is rapidly coming to an end.
by m-hodges 7mo ago
The days of subsidized access is rapidly coming to an end.
- LtWorf 7mo agoGood!
- thejazzman 7mo agoIt’s kind of a rug pull to effectively raise the price like 10x. I can’t afford to finish some of my projects with this change
- SecretDreams 7mo agoThat is okay. Ultimately, we need to know the true cost of this technology to evaluate how effectively or ineffectively it can displace the workforce that existed before it.
- techgnosis 7mo agoAgreed, this has to happen and the sooner the better.
- GaggiX 7mo agoThere are plenty of good models on Openrouter that are very cheap, maybe it's time to experiment with alternatives.
- sfmike 7mo agowhat are some of them?
- oompydoompy74 7mo agoKimi K2
- GaggiX 7mo agoMiniMax M2.7, MiMo-V2-Pro, GLM-5, GLM5-turbo, Kimi K2.5, DeepSeek V3.2, Step 3.5 Flash (this last one is particularly cheap while still being powerful).
- subscribed 7mo agoCan't judge on the quality of the comparison but I'd start from https://arena.ai/leaderboard/code https://arena.ai/leaderboard/code and maybe from OpenRouter's ranking.
- JesseTG 7mo agoIs writing it by hand the old-fashioned way not on the table?
- DecoySalamander 7mo agoNot really. Many scenarios where that would mean spending 50x the time or hiring a team.
- thejazzman 7mo agoAbsolutely not. I took on some thins that would normally take 5-10 people and many months. Some people are turn out slop. I was really excited to try and make some impressive shit. My whole life has been dedicated to trying to embody what Apple preached in the early days. I knew this was coming, but I thought I had a little more time to try and get them over the finish line, ya know? Maintenance by hand might be achievable, but it’s extremely hard when you’ve built something really big. I’ve only got so much savings left to live on. I’m not saying anyone owes me anything, but we all need to pivot and in a lot less sure my pivot is going to work out now
- SlinkyOnStairs 7mo ago> I took on some thins that would normally take 5-10 people and many months. Based on what, exactly? It's very easy to claim some software would've taken you months to make, but this is ridiculous. Estimating project duration is well known to be impossible in this field. A few years ago you'd get laughed out the room for making such predictions. > I’ve only got so much savings left to live on. Respectfully, what are you doing here? Yeah sure, the Apple dream. But supposing AI did in fact make you this legendary 100x developer, so it would to everyone else including those with significantly more resources. You'd still be run out of the market by those with bigger budgets or more marketing, and end up penniless all the same. I would strongly recommend you not put all your proverbial eggs in this basket.
- thejazzman 7mo agoI’ve pivoted to writing native iOS, macOS, windows, Linux apps. Most of my career has been front end web. It would take me awhile just to learn and practice, vs having my visions working in hours or days I’m not ready to unveil the thing I alluded to, it’s important to me that it’s good and polished. But I’ve done quite well so far developing in Swift, Rust, Go, and coming up with marketing and design — things I definitely couldn’t do by hand without a lot more time and effort. https://poolometer.com/ https://poolometer.com/ Is one of the things I’m almost ready to call ready. So much domain expertise or tedious math involved — I simply wouldn’t have bothered on my own, pre-AI I agree it’s a huge existential risk that everyone is also amazing. So far that’s not true. I get hung up on a lot of little quirks, like getting Dolby Vision to play properly on Apple Silicon without Vulcan. Something I accomplished after about 2 weeks of relentless determination. To be clear I’m just trying to answer your questions honestly. I understand the situation. It’s almost to my benefit the harder it is for non Software Engineers. But in our current reality, when I’m not launched yet, it’s more stress
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- nearbuy 7mo agoIf my math is right, assuming a mix of around 70% cached tokens, 20% input tokens, and 10% output tokens, it breaks even with the old pricing at around 130k tokens per message, or about 13k output tokens per message. With the hidden reasoning tokens and tool calls, I have no idea how many tokens I typically use per message. I would guess maybe a quarter of that, which would make the new pricing cheaper.
- SoftTalker 7mo agoSounds like saying my plan to get rich buying up $10 bills for $1 hit kind of a rug pull in that people aren't selling them for that price anymore.
- thejazzman 7mo agoThe only catch is that you’ve spent many $1 and you don’t get any of those $10s unless you get over the finish line In that sense your analogy is kinda good. I totally agree the current situation is like getting my solo start up funded and subsidized … but with only like 4 months runway now that the prices are skyrocketing, vs ~2+ for a typical YC venture
- lelanthran 7mo agoYeah, but... it's rocketing for everyone at the same time on all the providers at once. IOW, you are no further behind nor further ahead than your competitors compared to 1 week ago, 1 month ago, 1 year ago and 1 decade ago. Everyone has the same tools you have. The only advantage you get is if you make your own tools (I did that, and pre-AI, was able to modify my LoB WebApps at a rate of 1x new API endpoint, tested and pushed to production, every 15m).
- thejazzman 7mo agoMy comment was about the rapid and sudden cost spike of something happening unexpectedly. They announced 2x tokens with months of notice. This announced this with no notice. Me as an individual making a go solo is not the same as thousands of funded businesses having free credits, subsidized plans and bottomless AI budgets. For a short period this was a massive equalizer. Now it’s a tool for those who can afford it. That’s a big shift. — Why is it that a person cannot express their own circumstances or opinions on this site without it turning into an argument? It’s so deflating.
- bloppe 7mo agoI don't think you can call it a rug pull when everybody saw it coming from miles away
- thejazzman 7mo agoI avoided Claude code and such the first few months because I thought it was all billed by the API. Which I knew was not worth it to me at all. Then I realized I was an idiot and this was magic. But it now seems more like an introductory offer to use the API, as opposed to an alternative product / way to use their API product. I thought it would get increasingly expensive, like say the $200 plan becomes $400. Switching these plans to API metering doesn’t feel like it’s a separate product anymore?
- bloppe 7mo agoBut it was well understood that the subscription was heavily subsidized. Whether or not it was a "separate product" doesn't matter as much as the fact that pricing was not sustainable.
- thejazzman 7mo agoIt was not well understood that it would stop being subsidized without notice. Does that just not matter in modern society? I’m an asshole for expecting the product I pay for on day 1 to be the same on day 8 and 29 of a 30-days subscription?
- nojito 7mo agoSo many folks are just burning tokens just to burn them. The infrastructure build out just can't keep up with it.
- Bombthecat 7mo agoManagement demands it
- fc417fc802 7mo agoAlmost as though selling below cost or over capacity will backfire if people find unexpected uses for your product.
- UltraSane 7mo agosubsidies always lead to waste.
- subscribed 7mo agoThis is false. Two examples: - https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/three-years-after-trial-launch-ireland-is-making-basic-income-for-artists-program-permanent/ar-AA1Os1Ce https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/three-years-after-tria... - https://record.umich.edu/articles/public-school-investment-reduces-adult-crime-study-shows/ https://record.umich.edu/articles/public-school-investment-r...
- GandalfHN 7mo ago[dead]
- _fizz_buzz_ 7mo agoAlthough I have to say I am sometimes surprised how much people burn through their usage. I was briefly on a Claude Max plan and then switched to a pro plan and still almost never hit my limit.
- butterlettuce 7mo agoIt’s Joever.