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Linkedin got users to unwittingly to share their entire contact list by signing into gmail. What makes you think something similar wouldn't happen to some non-t

by gruez 7mo ago

Linkedin got users to unwittingly to share their entire contact list by signing into gmail. What makes you think something similar wouldn't happen to some non-technical person on the sales team?

michaelcampbell 7mo ago
My point is I don't think one bit of this is accidental.
- gruez 7mo ago
  And my point is that it's pretty easy for people to accidentally do it, and this is corroborated by the available evidence, so we should apply hanlon's razor rather than assuming someone at browserstack was laughing maniacally while uploading the email list.
  - michaelcampbell 7mo ago
    I made no such assertion. Only that businesses do things in the business's interest more frequently than databreaches.
    - gruez 7mo ago
      > Only that businesses do things in the business's interest That's not mutually exclusive with "someone on the sales team uploaded the entire customer list for sales purposes, not realizing the privacy implications". >more frequently than databreaches. You're fighting against both hanlon's razor and occam's razor here. The OP states the leak came from Apollo, and as other commenters have noted, Apollo specifically has a "Contributor Network" that shares email lists with other companies, and isn't well documented. It's not hard to imagine how this was done unintentionally. On the other hand there's no evidence to suggest this was done intentionally, other generic cynicism of "businesses do things in the business's interest" or whatever.
      - zelphirkalt 7mo ago
        On the other hand it is always convenient to hide behind the "We big, careless, silly org, we no knows how to handle data.". If we apply too many razors, then they are just gonna cut our freedom away. At some size of organizations negligence becomes malicious, since they ought to have people knowing how stuff should be handled and they most likely ignore it. What is more likely? Everyone at an organization's IT, sales and data protection department is incapable of doing their job, or someone doesn't give a damn, calculating, that preventing such things from happening costs too much?
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  - luckylion 7mo ago
    Hanlon's razor suggests that browserstack has made the conscious decision to use a vendor and share data with them. Companies of that size don't YOLO those things, that relationship and the data-sharing has passed through legal, they have a contract in place. Don't assume businesses operate the same way some job-hunting person on monday morning is.

by gruez 7mo ago

Linkedin got users to unwittingly to share their entire contact list by signing into gmail. What makes you think something similar wouldn't happen to some non-technical person on the sales team?

michaelcampbell 7mo ago

My point is I don't think one bit of this is accidental.

gruez 7mo ago
And my point is that it's pretty easy for people to accidentally do it, and this is corroborated by the available evidence, so we should apply hanlon's razor rather than assuming someone at browserstack was laughing maniacally while uploading the email list.
- michaelcampbell 7mo ago
  I made no such assertion. Only that businesses do things in the business's interest more frequently than databreaches.
  - gruez 7mo ago
    > Only that businesses do things in the business's interest That's not mutually exclusive with "someone on the sales team uploaded the entire customer list for sales purposes, not realizing the privacy implications". >more frequently than databreaches. You're fighting against both hanlon's razor and occam's razor here. The OP states the leak came from Apollo, and as other commenters have noted, Apollo specifically has a "Contributor Network" that shares email lists with other companies, and isn't well documented. It's not hard to imagine how this was done unintentionally. On the other hand there's no evidence to suggest this was done intentionally, other generic cynicism of "businesses do things in the business's interest" or whatever.
    - zelphirkalt 7mo ago
      On the other hand it is always convenient to hide behind the "We big, careless, silly org, we no knows how to handle data.". If we apply too many razors, then they are just gonna cut our freedom away. At some size of organizations negligence becomes malicious, since they ought to have people knowing how stuff should be handled and they most likely ignore it. What is more likely? Everyone at an organization's IT, sales and data protection department is incapable of doing their job, or someone doesn't give a damn, calculating, that preventing such things from happening costs too much?
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- luckylion 7mo ago
  Hanlon's razor suggests that browserstack has made the conscious decision to use a vendor and share data with them. Companies of that size don't YOLO those things, that relationship and the data-sharing has passed through legal, they have a contract in place. Don't assume businesses operate the same way some job-hunting person on monday morning is.