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Given that the religion usually attributed to influencing the GOP inner circle is evangelical protestant, I don't think the pope will hold much sway. It certain

by ksaj 6mo ago

Given that the religion usually attributed to influencing the GOP inner circle is evangelical protestant, I don't think the pope will hold much sway. It certainly does make sense that he would want to let the world know that Christianity in general is being highly weaponized in this war. It's just not going to faze the powers that are stoking this on.

arter45 6mo ago
I get your point, but 1) trying is better than not, especially as a Pope 2) you can still follow his reasoning as a "generic" Christian, because what he's saying is backed in the Bible (especially, but not exclusively, the New Testament). In other words, you don't need to be a Catholic to get that message.
- FearNotDaniel 6mo ago
  Also, Mrs Trump is Catholic and in the past they made a big deal out of being photographed with Pope Francis to appeal to Catholic voters.
  - defrost 6mo ago
    There's also the mini Trump in waiting, J D Vance, baptized and confirmed in the Catholic Church in 2019.
    - isleyaardvark 6mo ago
      Vance has a book coming out all about his conversion to Catholicism. (It has a photo of a Methodist church on the cover.)
      - shawn_w 6mo ago
        To be faaaair, authors usually don't have any control over the cover design; that's the publishers decision.
wqaatwt 6mo ago
Vance is Catholic and Thiel is kind of leaning that direction in weird ways, though. And Catholics are still a very significant voting block for Republicans (of course quite a few are likely single issue but they specifically might take the pope’s views a bit more seriously as well than more liberal Catholics)
- ThunderSizzle 6mo ago
  Many Catholics were Democrats, although their recent insanity in the last 10 years made many realize the Democrats have nothing resembling them. Many Catholics currently feel politically lost, as weird as that is. You have so many "Catholics" running around DC, but few of them can or will regurgitate any of the teachings of the Church, Biden being the most recent prominent example. Many are hopeful that JD Vance might finally fill that gap, but atheists and Evangelicals will probably keep their alliance growing rather than permit traditional Catholicism to have a revival politically.
  - wqaatwt 6mo ago
    So Biden being nominally Catholic wasn’t good enough, JD Vance ‘practicing’ a semi-perverse form of Catholicism is going to be the savior, though?
    - ThunderSizzle 6mo ago
      Please elaborate what semi-perverde form of Catholicism JD Vance follows. Biden promoted direct theology against church teaching. The most obvious was his public and private stance on abortion, and beyond that, the actual work he did to bring about more evil through that dark ritual.
      - deleted 6mo ago
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      - wqaatwt 6mo ago
        Well there aren’t that many catholics who were personally criticized by two popes due to their publicly expressed religious views. > The most obvious was his public and private stance on abortion Yes but besides abortion you are entirely free to pick and chose right?

by ksaj 6mo ago

arter45 6mo ago

I get your point, but 1) trying is better than not, especially as a Pope 2) you can still follow his reasoning as a "generic" Christian, because what he's saying is backed in the Bible (especially, but not exclusively, the New Testament). In other words, you don't need to be a Catholic to get that message.

FearNotDaniel 6mo ago
Also, Mrs Trump is Catholic and in the past they made a big deal out of being photographed with Pope Francis to appeal to Catholic voters.
- defrost 6mo ago
  There's also the mini Trump in waiting, J D Vance, baptized and confirmed in the Catholic Church in 2019.
  - isleyaardvark 6mo ago
    Vance has a book coming out all about his conversion to Catholicism. (It has a photo of a Methodist church on the cover.)
    - shawn_w 6mo ago
      To be faaaair, authors usually don't have any control over the cover design; that's the publishers decision.

wqaatwt 6mo ago

Vance is Catholic and Thiel is kind of leaning that direction in weird ways, though. And Catholics are still a very significant voting block for Republicans (of course quite a few are likely single issue but they specifically might take the pope’s views a bit more seriously as well than more liberal Catholics)

ThunderSizzle 6mo ago
Many Catholics were Democrats, although their recent insanity in the last 10 years made many realize the Democrats have nothing resembling them. Many Catholics currently feel politically lost, as weird as that is. You have so many "Catholics" running around DC, but few of them can or will regurgitate any of the teachings of the Church, Biden being the most recent prominent example. Many are hopeful that JD Vance might finally fill that gap, but atheists and Evangelicals will probably keep their alliance growing rather than permit traditional Catholicism to have a revival politically.
- wqaatwt 6mo ago
  So Biden being nominally Catholic wasn’t good enough, JD Vance ‘practicing’ a semi-perverse form of Catholicism is going to be the savior, though?
  - ThunderSizzle 6mo ago
    Please elaborate what semi-perverde form of Catholicism JD Vance follows. Biden promoted direct theology against church teaching. The most obvious was his public and private stance on abortion, and beyond that, the actual work he did to bring about more evil through that dark ritual.
    - deleted 6mo ago
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    - wqaatwt 6mo ago
      Well there aren’t that many catholics who were personally criticized by two popes due to their publicly expressed religious views. > The most obvious was his public and private stance on abortion Yes but besides abortion you are entirely free to pick and chose right?