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The current policy trend in the EU is definitely not based on the principle of each user evaluating their own risk. On the contrary, service providers like fina

by atanasi 6mo ago

The current policy trend in the EU is definitely not based on the principle of each user evaluating their own risk. On the contrary, service providers like financial institutes and identity providers have the responsibility to keep users safe, and more and more regulation will be made. The natural consequence is restricting which platforms are supported.

sunshine-o 6mo ago
> The current policy trend in the EU is definitely not based on the principle of each user evaluating their own risk. Yes and if you look back this is not new. Just look at the extraordinary restrictions that apply to: - What houses you can build, - What vehicle you can drive, - What food you can grow and sell. The result is real estate has become unaffordable for younger people, our car industry is being annihilated, and the agriculture sector hold by a string. The digital realm enjoyed an unusual level freedom until now because the silent and boomer generations in charge in the EU understood nothing about it. Now that the EU is getting involved in "computers" we are starting to understand why peasants have been protesting in Brussels and calling those people insane for decades.
- rcbdev 6mo ago
  I really have to wonder where in the EU you live. In Vienna, I got to buy an apartment in my mid-twenties by just saving up, which was easy, as many apartments are rent-capped and there's lots of cheap social housing. I got to enjoy free university, allowing me to get a high paying job. I get to use very cheap all electric state-subsidized rental car offerings if I need them, which is rare since we have federally good rail and bus coverage. And I enjoy affordable meat, dairy and vegetables all sourced from inside my country. Austria's courts also ruled ages ago that rooting your own device cannot be a legal reason for OEMs like Samsung to refuse warranty coverage, since you can run whatever software you want on hardware you bought. Maybe your country sucks? Don't blame it on the EU.
  - krater23 6mo ago
    Yes, blame Germany.
  - sunshine-o 6mo ago
    Yes congratulation, you get to benefit from a lot of regulated and subsidized things: housing, education and transportation. While enjoying a high paying job in probably a still very unregulated domain (computers/internet related). This is not about one country vs another. The problem is you cannot have a society with everybody winning on both fronts unfortunately. You also need people making, cleaning stuff, growing food, cooking, etc. Not everybody can live in the capital with "very cheap all electric state-subsidized rental car" and Vienna is probably not food self sufficient...
    - rcbdev 6mo ago
      > Vienna is probably not food self sufficient No, but Austria is. And our farmers enjoy much support through subsidies - from the EU and our own budget - and social protections, often having better and cheaper health care than most other Austrians, since they are insured under their very own social insurance law (BSVG), contrary to other employees (ASVG) and self-employed (GSVG). Farmers also enjoy very high levels of respect and appreciation here, even in Vienna. > While enjoying a high paying job in probably a still very unregulated domain (computers/internet related). Calling Information Technology an 'unregulated domain' in the EU when we're all busy implementing NIS2 regulation and preparing for the Cyber Resilience Act entering into force soon seems disingenuous.
      - sunshine-o 6mo ago
        > And our farmers enjoy very high levels of subsidies Yes, thanks. This was my original point "the agriculture sector hold by a string". It is by design unsustainable and if you cut those "high levels of subsidies" it collapses. > Calling Information Technology an 'unregulated domain' in the EU when we're all busy implementing NIS2 regulation and preparing for the Cyber Resilience Act entering into force soon seems disingenuous. Yes this is why I said "still"
rolandog 6mo ago
"Legislation will continue until morale improves." The regulations sometimes feel like additional burden of the user, but not for the manufacturers (aside for the attestation logic); consider: > (MEETS_STRONG_INTEGRITY requires a security patch in the last 12 months) Think about how this essentially codifies planned obsolescence due to not forcing the manufacturers to maintain the devices for life.

by atanasi 6mo ago

sunshine-o 6mo ago

> The current policy trend in the EU is definitely not based on the principle of each user evaluating their own risk. Yes and if you look back this is not new. Just look at the extraordinary restrictions that apply to: - What houses you can build, - What vehicle you can drive, - What food you can grow and sell. The result is real estate has become unaffordable for younger people, our car industry is being annihilated, and the agriculture sector hold by a string. The digital realm enjoyed an unusual level freedom until now because the silent and boomer generations in charge in the EU understood nothing about it. Now that the EU is getting involved in "computers" we are starting to understand why peasants have been protesting in Brussels and calling those people insane for decades.

rcbdev 6mo ago
I really have to wonder where in the EU you live. In Vienna, I got to buy an apartment in my mid-twenties by just saving up, which was easy, as many apartments are rent-capped and there's lots of cheap social housing. I got to enjoy free university, allowing me to get a high paying job. I get to use very cheap all electric state-subsidized rental car offerings if I need them, which is rare since we have federally good rail and bus coverage. And I enjoy affordable meat, dairy and vegetables all sourced from inside my country. Austria's courts also ruled ages ago that rooting your own device cannot be a legal reason for OEMs like Samsung to refuse warranty coverage, since you can run whatever software you want on hardware you bought. Maybe your country sucks? Don't blame it on the EU.
- krater23 6mo ago
  Yes, blame Germany.
- sunshine-o 6mo ago
  Yes congratulation, you get to benefit from a lot of regulated and subsidized things: housing, education and transportation. While enjoying a high paying job in probably a still very unregulated domain (computers/internet related). This is not about one country vs another. The problem is you cannot have a society with everybody winning on both fronts unfortunately. You also need people making, cleaning stuff, growing food, cooking, etc. Not everybody can live in the capital with "very cheap all electric state-subsidized rental car" and Vienna is probably not food self sufficient...
  - rcbdev 6mo ago
    > Vienna is probably not food self sufficient No, but Austria is. And our farmers enjoy much support through subsidies - from the EU and our own budget - and social protections, often having better and cheaper health care than most other Austrians, since they are insured under their very own social insurance law (BSVG), contrary to other employees (ASVG) and self-employed (GSVG). Farmers also enjoy very high levels of respect and appreciation here, even in Vienna. > While enjoying a high paying job in probably a still very unregulated domain (computers/internet related). Calling Information Technology an 'unregulated domain' in the EU when we're all busy implementing NIS2 regulation and preparing for the Cyber Resilience Act entering into force soon seems disingenuous.
    - sunshine-o 6mo ago
      > And our farmers enjoy very high levels of subsidies Yes, thanks. This was my original point "the agriculture sector hold by a string". It is by design unsustainable and if you cut those "high levels of subsidies" it collapses. > Calling Information Technology an 'unregulated domain' in the EU when we're all busy implementing NIS2 regulation and preparing for the Cyber Resilience Act entering into force soon seems disingenuous. Yes this is why I said "still"

rolandog 6mo ago

"Legislation will continue until morale improves." The regulations sometimes feel like additional burden of the user, but not for the manufacturers (aside for the attestation logic); consider: > (MEETS_STRONG_INTEGRITY requires a security patch in the last 12 months) Think about how this essentially codifies planned obsolescence due to not forcing the manufacturers to maintain the devices for life.