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There are no secrets when you are using AI providers. They track all interactions b/c that's valuable information for improving their models.

petcat 6mo ago
I'm talking about sharing things publicly that you are trying to claim as your own
- measurablefunc 6mo ago
  It doesn't matter. If someone has the same idea then they can use AI the same way you did to recreate it. Keeping it a secret benefits no one other than the AI providers b/c now they can charge money for giving someone else "your" code. The AI providers don't care about license restrictions so it's the perfect way to launder code. If you want credit for something then you'll have to claim it publicly b/c the AI providers sure as hell are not going to give you any credit.
  - throw_m239339 6mo ago
    strange downvotes, not only these services allow anyone with money to copy their competitors if they use the same services, but on the long run, Anthropic could very well be the competition, trained on corporations that use Claude. Why would this startup be any different from Google or Microsoft on the long run? People can't seem to learn their lesson.
    - measurablefunc 6mo ago
      People are very naive about how technology companies operate.
EnPissant 6mo ago
Not true. https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/your-data https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/your-data
- measurablefunc 6mo ago
  That's about the API. It doesn't say anything about their other products like Codex. Moreover, even in the API it says you have to qualify for zero retention policies. They retain the data for however long each jurisdiction requires data retention & they are always improving their abuse detection using the retained data. > Our use of content. We may use Content to provide, maintain, develop, and improve our Services, comply with applicable law, enforce our terms and policies, and keep our Services safe. If you're using ChatGPT through Apple's integrations, see this Help Center article (opens in a new window) for how we handle your Content. > Opt out. If you do not want us to use your Content to train our models, you can opt out by following the instructions in this article . Please note that in some cases this may limit the ability of our Services to better address your specific use case. https://openai.com/policies/row-terms-of-use/ https://openai.com/policies/row-terms-of-use/ https://openai.com/policies/how-your-data-is-used-to-improve-model-performance/ https://openai.com/policies/how-your-data-is-used-to-improve...
  - EnPissant 6mo ago
    Codex just talks to the responses API with store=false. So unless the model detects you are doing something that qualifies as abuse, nothing is retained.
    - measurablefunc 6mo ago
      Alright, good luck to you. I'm not really interested in talking to people who think they're lawyers for AI providers. If you think they don't keep any of the data & don't use it for training then you are welcome to continue believing that. It makes no difference to me either way.
      - EnPissant 6mo ago
        > Alright, good luck to you. I'm not really interested in talking to people who think they're lawyers for AI providers. Codex is open source, you can inspect it yourself, but let's not let facts ruin your David vs Goliath fantasy.

petcat 6mo ago

I'm talking about sharing things publicly that you are trying to claim as your own

measurablefunc 6mo ago
It doesn't matter. If someone has the same idea then they can use AI the same way you did to recreate it. Keeping it a secret benefits no one other than the AI providers b/c now they can charge money for giving someone else "your" code. The AI providers don't care about license restrictions so it's the perfect way to launder code. If you want credit for something then you'll have to claim it publicly b/c the AI providers sure as hell are not going to give you any credit.
- throw_m239339 6mo ago
  strange downvotes, not only these services allow anyone with money to copy their competitors if they use the same services, but on the long run, Anthropic could very well be the competition, trained on corporations that use Claude. Why would this startup be any different from Google or Microsoft on the long run? People can't seem to learn their lesson.
  - measurablefunc 6mo ago
    People are very naive about how technology companies operate.

EnPissant 6mo ago

Not true. https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/your-data https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/your-data

measurablefunc 6mo ago
That's about the API. It doesn't say anything about their other products like Codex. Moreover, even in the API it says you have to qualify for zero retention policies. They retain the data for however long each jurisdiction requires data retention & they are always improving their abuse detection using the retained data. > Our use of content. We may use Content to provide, maintain, develop, and improve our Services, comply with applicable law, enforce our terms and policies, and keep our Services safe. If you're using ChatGPT through Apple's integrations, see this Help Center article (opens in a new window) for how we handle your Content. > Opt out. If you do not want us to use your Content to train our models, you can opt out by following the instructions in this article . Please note that in some cases this may limit the ability of our Services to better address your specific use case. https://openai.com/policies/row-terms-of-use/ https://openai.com/policies/row-terms-of-use/ https://openai.com/policies/how-your-data-is-used-to-improve-model-performance/ https://openai.com/policies/how-your-data-is-used-to-improve...
- EnPissant 6mo ago
  Codex just talks to the responses API with store=false. So unless the model detects you are doing something that qualifies as abuse, nothing is retained.
  - measurablefunc 6mo ago
    Alright, good luck to you. I'm not really interested in talking to people who think they're lawyers for AI providers. If you think they don't keep any of the data & don't use it for training then you are welcome to continue believing that. It makes no difference to me either way.
    - EnPissant 6mo ago
      > Alright, good luck to you. I'm not really interested in talking to people who think they're lawyers for AI providers. Codex is open source, you can inspect it yourself, but let's not let facts ruin your David vs Goliath fantasy.