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You need to think that all the way through. The answer is obviously yes. Yemen is a perfect example. Iran is obviously as well. Afghanistan another great case.

You need to think that all the way through. The answer is obviously yes. Yemen is a perfect example. Iran is obviously as well. Afghanistan another great case. It is certainly possible to resist US pressure. Iran is asking the gulf countries to do that. Imagine how much better they would all be able to resist the US together as well, better than each alone.

hunterpayne 6mo ago
The gulf countries hate Iran and have for a very very long time, longer than even the concept of the west has existed. Iran throwing around ballistic missiles is far more like a temper tantrum than a viable military strategy. And its a strategic gift to Trump. Whether he/we can take advantage of that, IDK.
- actionfromafar 6mo ago
  I'm not so sure it's a strategic gift for Trump. Before the war (oh, sorry, I meant the "special military operation") everything was largely fine for the Gulf states. Now, it's not.
- DANmode 6mo ago
  Who is “we”, just for reader clarity?
  - actionfromafar 6mo ago
    I guess US oil producers make a lot of money right now. I think those must be the "we make a lot of money" Trump refers to.
geraneum 6mo ago
> The answer is obviously yes. Of course it isn't. In reality, being able to resist requires power. Power that's gained more or less independently such as Iran's. Gulf states should be in a position of power to able to resist US presence. The power they have right now is mostly gained through the help of USA and its allies. It's not the same as Iran. Not even close.
- guerrilla 6mo ago
  > Of course it isn't. In reality, being able to resist requires power. I gave examples of it actually happening. If sandal-wearing Houthis can resist, then well-funded oil states can as well. The Taliban beat the US. In fact, very few people have failed at ejecting the US from the country when they tried if you think back. The US tends to lose a lot.
  - geraneum 6mo ago
    > I gave examples of it actually happening. Ironically Yemen (Houthis) are fighting not only with US but against other gulf sates like Saudi Arabia as well. It's not really an example that demonstrates unity in gulf. > The Taliban beat the US. Taliban, brought to you by US of A to combat Soviet Union's influence! Well, it seems they are done beating US and are now busy beating Afghan women. > The US tends to lose a lot. Do they really? After the war is over and US is beat, how does the life of an average American compare to someone's from your list. It is the people of Middle East who pay the biggest price. That's the real loss. *edit: typo
    - guerrilla 6mo ago
      > Do they really? Yes, really. The US has rarely achieved its objectives.
      - geraneum 6mo ago
        US objectives are rarely as they are portrayed on TV.
    - toyg 6mo ago
      > Do they really? Vietnam. Afghanistan. Iraq (it's an Iran proxy now). Korea was a stalemate. Pretty much every time the US goes alone against a medium-sized country, it doesn't end in victory.
      - MagicMoonlight 6mo ago

hunterpayne 6mo ago

The gulf countries hate Iran and have for a very very long time, longer than even the concept of the west has existed. Iran throwing around ballistic missiles is far more like a temper tantrum than a viable military strategy. And its a strategic gift to Trump. Whether he/we can take advantage of that, IDK.

actionfromafar 6mo ago
I'm not so sure it's a strategic gift for Trump. Before the war (oh, sorry, I meant the "special military operation") everything was largely fine for the Gulf states. Now, it's not.
DANmode 6mo ago
Who is “we”, just for reader clarity?
- actionfromafar 6mo ago
  I guess US oil producers make a lot of money right now. I think those must be the "we make a lot of money" Trump refers to.

geraneum 6mo ago

> The answer is obviously yes. Of course it isn't. In reality, being able to resist requires power. Power that's gained more or less independently such as Iran's. Gulf states should be in a position of power to able to resist US presence. The power they have right now is mostly gained through the help of USA and its allies. It's not the same as Iran. Not even close.

guerrilla 6mo ago
> Of course it isn't. In reality, being able to resist requires power. I gave examples of it actually happening. If sandal-wearing Houthis can resist, then well-funded oil states can as well. The Taliban beat the US. In fact, very few people have failed at ejecting the US from the country when they tried if you think back. The US tends to lose a lot.
- geraneum 6mo ago
  > I gave examples of it actually happening. Ironically Yemen (Houthis) are fighting not only with US but against other gulf sates like Saudi Arabia as well. It's not really an example that demonstrates unity in gulf. > The Taliban beat the US. Taliban, brought to you by US of A to combat Soviet Union's influence! Well, it seems they are done beating US and are now busy beating Afghan women. > The US tends to lose a lot. Do they really? After the war is over and US is beat, how does the life of an average American compare to someone's from your list. It is the people of Middle East who pay the biggest price. That's the real loss. *edit: typo
  - guerrilla 6mo ago
    > Do they really? Yes, really. The US has rarely achieved its objectives.
    - geraneum 6mo ago
      US objectives are rarely as they are portrayed on TV.
  - toyg 6mo ago
    > Do they really? Vietnam. Afghanistan. Iraq (it's an Iran proxy now). Korea was a stalemate. Pretty much every time the US goes alone against a medium-sized country, it doesn't end in victory.
    - MagicMoonlight 6mo ago