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> That's normal behavior when your server is being reverse-engineered or abused. Video bandwidth is not free. Microsoft rewrote their Windows Phone native clie

> That's normal behavior when your server is being reverse-engineered or abused. Video bandwidth is not free. Microsoft rewrote their Windows Phone native client to pass through Google's ads. Google still blocked it. Was it normal behavior when Google blocked Amazon Fire devices from connecting to YouTube with a web browser during the Google/Amazon corporate spat? To be fair, Google did back down almost immediately when the tech press picked up on it. Not allowing a native client for your monopoly market share video service on Amazon devices while also blocking Amazon's web browser on those devices is making things a bit too obvious.

bigyabai 6mo ago
Again - servers are always offered at-will. If the service provider wants to boot you out, their TOS usually won't give you the right to renegotiate service. Clients are not offered at-will, they either work or they don't. Nvidia ships AArch64 UNIX drivers, Apple is the one that neglects their UNIX clients.
- GeekyBear 6mo ago
  Using your monopoly market share video service as a weapon against companies offering platforms that compete with your own is textbook antitrust behavior. Google used YouTube as a weapon against both Windows Phone and devices running Amazon's Fire fork of Android.
  - bigyabai 6mo ago
    > monopoly market share video service A "monopoly" "service"? What have they monopolized, laziness? It's not the App Store, you can go replace it with DailyMotion at your earliest convenience. You're still retreading why your original comment was not at all relevant to the critique being made. We have precedent for prosecuting monopolistic behavior in America, but it doesn't encompass services even when they're mandatory to use the client. It does have a precedent for arbitrarily preventing competitors from shipping a runtime that competes with the default OS, incidentally.
    - GeekyBear 6mo ago
      When your product has a monopoly market share, you don't get to use it as a weapon against competitors in other markets, even if you claim there is some imaginary exception to antitrust law involving servers.
      - bigyabai 6mo ago
        You don't get to demand that the server support your endpoint, period. There is no precedent for that ever happening in US antitrust law, because it's not anticompetitive. If you think otherwise, make your case to Google's lawyers instead of spinning hypothetical case law.
      - raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
        It’s called “No duty to deal” https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/single-firm-conduct/refusal-deal https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/gui...
        GeekyBear 6mo ago
        Which is fine, right up until you: have a product with a monopoly market share AND use that product as a weapon against competitors in other markets That conduct is clearly illegal.
        raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
        The entire idea of capitalism is to use your advantages over competitors. But exactly how does Apple have a monopoly in computers with less than 10-15% market share?
        GeekyBear 6mo ago
        The entire point of antitrust law is to place limits on what capitalists are allowed to do. Apple doesn't have what American law sees as a monopoly market share in any market. Be aware that other jurisdictions, like the EU, start placing restrictions on the behavior of companies with lower market share than American antitrust law requires.

bigyabai 6mo ago

Again - servers are always offered at-will. If the service provider wants to boot you out, their TOS usually won't give you the right to renegotiate service. Clients are not offered at-will, they either work or they don't. Nvidia ships AArch64 UNIX drivers, Apple is the one that neglects their UNIX clients.

GeekyBear 6mo ago
Using your monopoly market share video service as a weapon against companies offering platforms that compete with your own is textbook antitrust behavior. Google used YouTube as a weapon against both Windows Phone and devices running Amazon's Fire fork of Android.
- bigyabai 6mo ago
  > monopoly market share video service A "monopoly" "service"? What have they monopolized, laziness? It's not the App Store, you can go replace it with DailyMotion at your earliest convenience. You're still retreading why your original comment was not at all relevant to the critique being made. We have precedent for prosecuting monopolistic behavior in America, but it doesn't encompass services even when they're mandatory to use the client. It does have a precedent for arbitrarily preventing competitors from shipping a runtime that competes with the default OS, incidentally.
  - GeekyBear 6mo ago
    When your product has a monopoly market share, you don't get to use it as a weapon against competitors in other markets, even if you claim there is some imaginary exception to antitrust law involving servers.
    - bigyabai 6mo ago
      You don't get to demand that the server support your endpoint, period. There is no precedent for that ever happening in US antitrust law, because it's not anticompetitive. If you think otherwise, make your case to Google's lawyers instead of spinning hypothetical case law.
    - raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
      It’s called “No duty to deal” https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/single-firm-conduct/refusal-deal https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/gui...
      - GeekyBear 6mo ago
        Which is fine, right up until you: have a product with a monopoly market share AND use that product as a weapon against competitors in other markets That conduct is clearly illegal.
        raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
        The entire idea of capitalism is to use your advantages over competitors. But exactly how does Apple have a monopoly in computers with less than 10-15% market share?
        GeekyBear 6mo ago
        The entire point of antitrust law is to place limits on what capitalists are allowed to do. Apple doesn't have what American law sees as a monopoly market share in any market. Be aware that other jurisdictions, like the EU, start placing restrictions on the behavior of companies with lower market share than American antitrust law requires.