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for the risk of getting downvoted: why only locals, but no migrants?

by KellyCriterion 7mo ago

itsyonas 7mo ago
? This includes all male citizens aged 18 - 45.
- nubg 7mo ago
  It doesn't, only German citizens
  - a3w 7mo ago
    does citizen and German not mean the same thing? Are EU citizens living permanently in germany even considered to have a duty to either militarily or in civil service serve in war times?
    - est31 7mo ago
      Not a lawyer but the German constitution, Article 12a, speaks of men above 18, not of citizens, or even residents of Germany. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html#p0069 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.h... So that article can in theory be used to conscript any man, citizen or not, living in Germany or not. The Wehrpflichtgesetz, which is a simple law and requires just the 50% Bundestag majority to have it changed, refines this very wide constitutional power in article 1, to require men who hold German citizenship above 18. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html#BJNR006510956BJNG000108310 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.ht... Article 3 refines it even further to folks below 45 or 60, depending on the severity of the situation. But yes, in theory it can be changed to include any non-German citizen man, people aged 80, living inside of Germany since a while or never having been to Germany ever, or just random men who happen to change flights at FRA.
  - itsyonas 7mo ago
    Immigrants can be German citizens.
nicbou 7mo ago
Why would non-citizens get drafted in the military?
- TMWNN 7mo ago
  The US draft included non-citizen legal residents, such as Howard Stringer. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Stringer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Stringer>
TMWNN 7mo ago
>why only locals, but no migrants? Even if they are included, they wouldn't join up. More British Muslims joined ISIS than the British military. <https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/magazine/her-majestys-jihadists.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/magazine/her-majestys-jih...>

for the risk of getting downvoted: why only locals, but no migrants?

itsyonas 7mo ago

? This includes all male citizens aged 18 - 45.

nubg 7mo ago
It doesn't, only German citizens
- a3w 7mo ago
  does citizen and German not mean the same thing? Are EU citizens living permanently in germany even considered to have a duty to either militarily or in civil service serve in war times?
  - est31 7mo ago
    Not a lawyer but the German constitution, Article 12a, speaks of men above 18, not of citizens, or even residents of Germany. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html#p0069 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.h... So that article can in theory be used to conscript any man, citizen or not, living in Germany or not. The Wehrpflichtgesetz, which is a simple law and requires just the 50% Bundestag majority to have it changed, refines this very wide constitutional power in article 1, to require men who hold German citizenship above 18. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html#BJNR006510956BJNG000108310 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.ht... Article 3 refines it even further to folks below 45 or 60, depending on the severity of the situation. But yes, in theory it can be changed to include any non-German citizen man, people aged 80, living inside of Germany since a while or never having been to Germany ever, or just random men who happen to change flights at FRA.
- itsyonas 7mo ago
  Immigrants can be German citizens.

nicbou 7mo ago

Why would non-citizens get drafted in the military?

TMWNN 7mo ago
The US draft included non-citizen legal residents, such as Howard Stringer. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Stringer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Stringer>

TMWNN 7mo ago

>why only locals, but no migrants? Even if they are included, they wouldn't join up. More British Muslims joined ISIS than the British military. <https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/magazine/her-majestys-jihadists.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/magazine/her-majestys-jih...>