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I don't know where you are getting this, but this is very much not the role of professional armies in most invasions historically Usually when your country is

by breppp 6mo ago

I don't know where you are getting this, but this is very much not the role of professional armies in most invasions historically Usually when your country is invaded you don't stay in your silicon valley privileged mindset and you go to conscription willingly

lifestyleguru 6mo ago
Silicon valley privileged mindset in Europe, what are you talking about?! You mean Piotr, Ivan, and Andrei working remotely for American company for equivalent of 60k USD annually? Most armies in Europe, especially in post-Communist part of it, are nepotist corrupted structures. People go there for tax and housing benefits and early retirement. They are not even particularly fit, skilled, or trained to fight with an invader. Especially in these countries men aged 18-45 have absolutely nothing to fight for.
rvnx 6mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification - the definition of consent is very stretched.
- breppp 6mo ago
  Thats not how most of the manpower gets there, without even knowing the Ukraine example, I venture to guess based on the superior morale of Ukrainian forces, that most are drafted willingly. This still does not prove the very general statement GP made, which doesn't align with draft reality in historical wars
  - Operating4762 6mo ago
    Many of those who were drafted willingly, already died, it’s the 5th year of war
    - breppp 6mo ago
      We are talking 150k dead and 800k volunteers, and another 1 million more drafted. I don't think your statement is correct
carlosjobim 6mo ago
Millions of people enjoy great lives today because at least one of their ancestors were smart enough to not go to the meat grinder. While millions of young men became genetic dead ends dead in a ditch for no reason at all. Even their names forgotten forever.
- breppp 6mo ago
  Millions of people were not burned to death due to not living under Nazi rule you mean. Most of our ancestors did join a draft, as it was universal, be it the Napoleon wars, WW1 or WW2. This interpretation of history is highly creative I will give you that
  - carlosjobim 6mo ago
    Name 10 common soldiers who liberated a concentration camp , from the top of your head. If you care so much about that as you give the impression of doing.
    - breppp 6mo ago
      Sorry I am failing to see your point. Are you implying that the fact there are no common soldiers famous for liberating concentration camps, means that saving further millions that would be killed by the eventual Nazi occupation of Europe, is in vain?
      - carlosjobim 6mo ago
        You - who ask for people to sacrifice their lives in the most horrific ways - don't even care to know the names of any of those who have done that before. To most people, these soldiers are just part of a nameless and faceless mass of flesh and meat to be utilized and expended. Who would want that to be his destiny? Certainly not you, because you are here on HN typing and not putting your life on the line to defend innocent people in Ukraine, in Haiti, in Africa, and so on.
        6mo ago

by breppp 6mo ago

lifestyleguru 6mo ago

Silicon valley privileged mindset in Europe, what are you talking about?! You mean Piotr, Ivan, and Andrei working remotely for American company for equivalent of 60k USD annually? Most armies in Europe, especially in post-Communist part of it, are nepotist corrupted structures. People go there for tax and housing benefits and early retirement. They are not even particularly fit, skilled, or trained to fight with an invader. Especially in these countries men aged 18-45 have absolutely nothing to fight for.

rvnx 6mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification - the definition of consent is very stretched.

breppp 6mo ago
Thats not how most of the manpower gets there, without even knowing the Ukraine example, I venture to guess based on the superior morale of Ukrainian forces, that most are drafted willingly. This still does not prove the very general statement GP made, which doesn't align with draft reality in historical wars
- Operating4762 6mo ago
  Many of those who were drafted willingly, already died, it’s the 5th year of war
  - breppp 6mo ago
    We are talking 150k dead and 800k volunteers, and another 1 million more drafted. I don't think your statement is correct

carlosjobim 6mo ago

Millions of people enjoy great lives today because at least one of their ancestors were smart enough to not go to the meat grinder. While millions of young men became genetic dead ends dead in a ditch for no reason at all. Even their names forgotten forever.

breppp 6mo ago
Millions of people were not burned to death due to not living under Nazi rule you mean. Most of our ancestors did join a draft, as it was universal, be it the Napoleon wars, WW1 or WW2. This interpretation of history is highly creative I will give you that
- carlosjobim 6mo ago
  Name 10 common soldiers who liberated a concentration camp , from the top of your head. If you care so much about that as you give the impression of doing.
  - breppp 6mo ago
    Sorry I am failing to see your point. Are you implying that the fact there are no common soldiers famous for liberating concentration camps, means that saving further millions that would be killed by the eventual Nazi occupation of Europe, is in vain?
    - carlosjobim 6mo ago
      You - who ask for people to sacrifice their lives in the most horrific ways - don't even care to know the names of any of those who have done that before. To most people, these soldiers are just part of a nameless and faceless mass of flesh and meat to be utilized and expended. Who would want that to be his destiny? Certainly not you, because you are here on HN typing and not putting your life on the line to defend innocent people in Ukraine, in Haiti, in Africa, and so on.
      - 6mo ago