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Are you surprised that a forum full of people all-in hustle culture and the whole VC-startup grift is extremely selfish? This is not to say that the government

Are you surprised that a forum full of people all-in hustle culture and the whole VC-startup grift is extremely selfish? This is not to say that the government should get blind faith, but some notions that the collective good has any value is alien to many people here. Libertarianism is a societal disease. "Fuck you got mine".

logicchains 7mo ago
"Fuck you got mine" is the attitude of the boomers expecting young people to die for a country that the boomers left economically and demographically ruined. Young Germans have the worst life prospects of any generation in the past fifty years.
- Ylpertnodi 7mo ago
  You're discussing boomers in the context of an awful lot of history.
- randomNumber7 7mo ago
  But if you look at serious polls then not many young people will actually fight for this. I remember reading a number of around 15%... And those probably don't have a high IQ.
  - samus 7mo ago
    That's a generation of people who had to never suffer the prospect of invasion and occupation of German soil by hostile armed forces. Even so, this number of willing recruits would already be much more than the Bundeswehr can possibly arm, and are unneeded as long as there is no military altercation actively involving Germany.
lmf4lol 7mo ago
over and over again, we see that governments are pretty bad at doing their job. over and over again, they prove to us that they cant handle money, that they are corrupt, that they put the interest of their political class above that of the people. so are you surprised? id rather be left alone as much as possible in my pursuit of happiness. On my own terms!
- jhrmnn 7mo ago
  Forget the government, what about your fellow humans? Is defending your country an obligation towards your government or towards your neighbor?
  - lukan 7mo ago
    My country and my neighbors I would defend, my government not so much.
hartator 7mo ago
How is refusing to kill your fellow men selfishness? For one organization over one other?
- XorNot 7mo ago
  In Bucha members of the Russian army systematically raped and murdered the towns occupants after it was occupied.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre
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sph 7mo ago
Collective good doesn’t necessarily mean the State, and not trusting the State doesn’t mean being an American-style right libertarian either. It’s a common fallacy of performative US leftism that believes the world can be divided neatly into blue vs red.

logicchains 7mo ago

"Fuck you got mine" is the attitude of the boomers expecting young people to die for a country that the boomers left economically and demographically ruined. Young Germans have the worst life prospects of any generation in the past fifty years.

Ylpertnodi 7mo ago
You're discussing boomers in the context of an awful lot of history.
randomNumber7 7mo ago
But if you look at serious polls then not many young people will actually fight for this. I remember reading a number of around 15%... And those probably don't have a high IQ.
- samus 7mo ago
  That's a generation of people who had to never suffer the prospect of invasion and occupation of German soil by hostile armed forces. Even so, this number of willing recruits would already be much more than the Bundeswehr can possibly arm, and are unneeded as long as there is no military altercation actively involving Germany.

lmf4lol 7mo ago

over and over again, we see that governments are pretty bad at doing their job. over and over again, they prove to us that they cant handle money, that they are corrupt, that they put the interest of their political class above that of the people. so are you surprised? id rather be left alone as much as possible in my pursuit of happiness. On my own terms!

jhrmnn 7mo ago
Forget the government, what about your fellow humans? Is defending your country an obligation towards your government or towards your neighbor?
- lukan 7mo ago
  My country and my neighbors I would defend, my government not so much.

hartator 7mo ago

How is refusing to kill your fellow men selfishness? For one organization over one other?

XorNot 7mo ago
In Bucha members of the Russian army systematically raped and murdered the towns occupants after it was occupied.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre

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sph 7mo ago

Collective good doesn’t necessarily mean the State, and not trusting the State doesn’t mean being an American-style right libertarian either. It’s a common fallacy of performative US leftism that believes the world can be divided neatly into blue vs red.