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Tokens aren't more expensive than highly trained meatbags today. There's no way they'll be more expensive "tomorrow"...

by NitpickLawyer 7mo ago

bigbugbag 7mo ago
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- skeledrew 7mo ago
  > they are and they will be Calculate the approximate cost of raising a human from birth to having the knowledge and skills to do X, along with maintenance required to continue doing X. Multiply by a reasonable scaling factor in comparison to one of today's best LLMs (ie how many humans and how much time to do Xn, vs the LLM). Calculate the cost of hardware (from raw elements), training and maintenance for said LLM (if you want to include the cost of research+software then you'll have to also include the costs of raising those who taught, mentored, etc the human as well). Consider that the human usually specializes, while the LLM touches everything. I think you'll find even a roughly approximate answer very enlightening if you're honest in your calculations.
  - Synthetic7346 7mo ago
    But companies don't have to bear the cost of raising a human from birth, or training them. They only pay the cost of hiring them, and that includes cost of maintenence. Add to that the fact that we can't blindly trust LLM output just yet, so we need a mearbag to review it. LLM will always be more expensive than human +LLM, until we're at a stage where we can remove the human from the loop
    - skeledrew 7mo ago
      > But companies don't have to bear the cost of raising a human from birth, or training them. The costs do exist somewhere though, and must be paid by someone. There's no free lunch, and the human lunch is very likely far more costly than the LLM lunch. > Add to that the fact that we can't blindly trust LLM output just yet Can't blindly trust human output either. That's why there are various tiers in roles, from junior-equivalent to senior-equivalent, and the actual user of the product is always the final arbiter. There's ultimately nothing different, except that the LLM iterates on issue resolution in seconds to minutes, whereas the human equivalent takes hours to days.
- PunchyHamster 7mo ago
  the crash would mean price of GPUs would go down, not up...

Tokens aren't more expensive than highly trained meatbags today. There's no way they'll be more expensive "tomorrow"...

bigbugbag 7mo ago

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skeledrew 7mo ago
> they are and they will be Calculate the approximate cost of raising a human from birth to having the knowledge and skills to do X, along with maintenance required to continue doing X. Multiply by a reasonable scaling factor in comparison to one of today's best LLMs (ie how many humans and how much time to do Xn, vs the LLM). Calculate the cost of hardware (from raw elements), training and maintenance for said LLM (if you want to include the cost of research+software then you'll have to also include the costs of raising those who taught, mentored, etc the human as well). Consider that the human usually specializes, while the LLM touches everything. I think you'll find even a roughly approximate answer very enlightening if you're honest in your calculations.
- Synthetic7346 7mo ago
  But companies don't have to bear the cost of raising a human from birth, or training them. They only pay the cost of hiring them, and that includes cost of maintenence. Add to that the fact that we can't blindly trust LLM output just yet, so we need a mearbag to review it. LLM will always be more expensive than human +LLM, until we're at a stage where we can remove the human from the loop
  - skeledrew 7mo ago
    > But companies don't have to bear the cost of raising a human from birth, or training them. The costs do exist somewhere though, and must be paid by someone. There's no free lunch, and the human lunch is very likely far more costly than the LLM lunch. > Add to that the fact that we can't blindly trust LLM output just yet Can't blindly trust human output either. That's why there are various tiers in roles, from junior-equivalent to senior-equivalent, and the actual user of the product is always the final arbiter. There's ultimately nothing different, except that the LLM iterates on issue resolution in seconds to minutes, whereas the human equivalent takes hours to days.
PunchyHamster 7mo ago
the crash would mean price of GPUs would go down, not up...