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- Economic growth slows down under sanction. - removing their leverage over you is also good. Even if regime will not change, it will be weaker

Saline9515 6mo ago
Sanctions also affect population and create indirect deaths and suffering in the civilian population. I guess that, just like Madeleine Albright, you believe that 500k Iraqi children death caused by US sanctions were "worth it"? (US still wanted to invade after, proof that sanctions worked!) https://www.newsweek.com/watch-madeleine-albright-saying-iraqi-kids-deaths-worth-it-resurfaces-1691193 https://www.newsweek.com/watch-madeleine-albright-saying-ira...
- lucketone 6mo ago
  Quite a loaded question (a-tier). Counter-question/game: Hypothetically, imagine that you become president of US today, inheriting current situation. What would you do regarding Iran situation? What is the correct action now in current situation? Spoiler: I think there is no “correct” solution, somebody will be hurt in the end despite best wishes. Note: Lower supply of oil and fertiliser affects poorer countries more than the rich ones (possibility of famine in Africa). Current Iran government just killed their own civilians a month ago in thousands to end protests; and repressions will likely repeat as protests are likely to repeat. (Irans populace seem to be quite educated and want some reforms) Ground invasion of Iran would cost a lot of lives - civilian casualties always exist. But honestly, what would you choose to do?
  - Saline9515 6mo ago
    No it's a great question. As always when someone makes a point about something, one should ask "up to which point do you believe this to be true". It's the same in science. The US president is not in charge of the application of human rights in Iran. It's amazing that Americans are so concerned about human rights in oil-rich countries, only. Right? The US generally don't understand other countries' internal dynamics and only leave a mess after dropping bombs to "liberate" those ungrateful civilians. Obama's JCPOA was a good framework, I'd work to reinstall it.
ajsnigrutin 6mo ago
But they just became more independent. Germany stills needs and wants russian energy, because they're overpaying a lot currently, but russians don't need the german paper industry anymore.
- lucketone 6mo ago
  Paper is definitely not the only thing Russia was importing. Check statistics of Russian aviation accidents (not sure if Germany was in supply chain for aviation, but this is visible thing that clearly was affected by sanctions)

Saline9515 6mo ago

Sanctions also affect population and create indirect deaths and suffering in the civilian population. I guess that, just like Madeleine Albright, you believe that 500k Iraqi children death caused by US sanctions were "worth it"? (US still wanted to invade after, proof that sanctions worked!) https://www.newsweek.com/watch-madeleine-albright-saying-iraqi-kids-deaths-worth-it-resurfaces-1691193 https://www.newsweek.com/watch-madeleine-albright-saying-ira...

lucketone 6mo ago
Quite a loaded question (a-tier). Counter-question/game: Hypothetically, imagine that you become president of US today, inheriting current situation. What would you do regarding Iran situation? What is the correct action now in current situation? Spoiler: I think there is no “correct” solution, somebody will be hurt in the end despite best wishes. Note: Lower supply of oil and fertiliser affects poorer countries more than the rich ones (possibility of famine in Africa). Current Iran government just killed their own civilians a month ago in thousands to end protests; and repressions will likely repeat as protests are likely to repeat. (Irans populace seem to be quite educated and want some reforms) Ground invasion of Iran would cost a lot of lives - civilian casualties always exist. But honestly, what would you choose to do?
- Saline9515 6mo ago
  No it's a great question. As always when someone makes a point about something, one should ask "up to which point do you believe this to be true". It's the same in science. The US president is not in charge of the application of human rights in Iran. It's amazing that Americans are so concerned about human rights in oil-rich countries, only. Right? The US generally don't understand other countries' internal dynamics and only leave a mess after dropping bombs to "liberate" those ungrateful civilians. Obama's JCPOA was a good framework, I'd work to reinstall it.

ajsnigrutin 6mo ago

But they just became more independent. Germany stills needs and wants russian energy, because they're overpaying a lot currently, but russians don't need the german paper industry anymore.

lucketone 6mo ago
Paper is definitely not the only thing Russia was importing. Check statistics of Russian aviation accidents (not sure if Germany was in supply chain for aviation, but this is visible thing that clearly was affected by sanctions)