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The problem with refraining from political violence where it is warranted is that the other side will do it anyway and you end up dead.

gruez 7mo ago
>is that the other side will do it anyway and you end up dead. Preemptive first strike logic[1] aside. This logic doesn't work because political violence never gets out of hand so fast that an entire political movement can be wiped out. On the other hand by starting/advocating for political violence you're almost certainly going to get the descent into sectarian violence before you can wipe out all the "fascists". [1] Iran, anyone?
- girvo 7mo ago
  > This logic doesn't work because political violence never gets out of hand so fast that an entire political movement can be wiped out Tell that to the German left during the rise of Nazism.
  - gruez 7mo ago
    That just leads to the second problem. Do you think a few car bombs would have stopped Nazis in their tracks? Or it would just create even more antipathy towards Jews?
    - girvo 6mo ago
      The Nazis succeeded in wiping out their opposition through violence. Why is that you think that Nazis were able to, but the German left (in this hypothetical) would not have been able to do so in kind?
SV_BubbleTime 7mo ago
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- analognoise 7mo ago
  I'm not worried about political violence because I haven't been denying anyone's constitutional rights, stealing from The People, denying anyone's health insurance claims, or roughing up peaceful protesters and random brown people. I didn't layoff a bunch of people to make my quarterly numbers. I'm not so hated I have to live on a military base out of fear. It seems pretty simple: Live a life where, if you get plugged, nobody's cheering and everyone's angry.
- wewtyflakes 7mo ago
  Remember posts like this and how they are so glib in the face of the autocracy. They will gaslight you, make you feel like you are the crazy one, and be the first to say you deserved it when you have finally have had enough and decided to push back.
  - SV_BubbleTime 6mo ago
    It’s posts like this and how they are so glib in the face of autisitic-level lack of empathy. You people seriously can’t even for an instant entertain that you have been misled, lied to, it’s always those other people. There is no topic you are wrong on, wow, amazing! You aren’t the ones parroting a narrative (that always seemingly for no reason at all favors say… China), no no, it’s the other side, they’re the cult, they are the sheep, and they’re controlled by Koch’s or Jews or whatever. If you grew up in the life of a conservative person, you would vote and think like them. End of story. You aren't special, you’re just another cog. You aren’t morally superior, you aren’t even actually all that different from the people you have been told to hate. You’ve been conditioned that the world is ending by a trillions of dollars media campaign your entire life and that every person in power that doesn’t play a specific game is Hilter and fascism is on its way. Consider this… what if you are the crazy one? How would you know it? Because you’re smarter? Because you have an innate ability to align with a group but somehow also maintained the ability to see outside of it? We’ve never had an objectively better world for all humans, and yet you been programmed to subjectively consider it never worse. Hedonic treadmill doesn’t begin to cover it. All your claims just sound like game to me. The good people are politically homeless, and you seem to be not that.

gruez 7mo ago

>is that the other side will do it anyway and you end up dead. Preemptive first strike logic[1] aside. This logic doesn't work because political violence never gets out of hand so fast that an entire political movement can be wiped out. On the other hand by starting/advocating for political violence you're almost certainly going to get the descent into sectarian violence before you can wipe out all the "fascists". [1] Iran, anyone?

girvo 7mo ago
> This logic doesn't work because political violence never gets out of hand so fast that an entire political movement can be wiped out Tell that to the German left during the rise of Nazism.
- gruez 7mo ago
  That just leads to the second problem. Do you think a few car bombs would have stopped Nazis in their tracks? Or it would just create even more antipathy towards Jews?
  - girvo 6mo ago
    The Nazis succeeded in wiping out their opposition through violence. Why is that you think that Nazis were able to, but the German left (in this hypothetical) would not have been able to do so in kind?

SV_BubbleTime 7mo ago

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analognoise 7mo ago
I'm not worried about political violence because I haven't been denying anyone's constitutional rights, stealing from The People, denying anyone's health insurance claims, or roughing up peaceful protesters and random brown people. I didn't layoff a bunch of people to make my quarterly numbers. I'm not so hated I have to live on a military base out of fear. It seems pretty simple: Live a life where, if you get plugged, nobody's cheering and everyone's angry.
wewtyflakes 7mo ago
Remember posts like this and how they are so glib in the face of the autocracy. They will gaslight you, make you feel like you are the crazy one, and be the first to say you deserved it when you have finally have had enough and decided to push back.
- SV_BubbleTime 6mo ago
  It’s posts like this and how they are so glib in the face of autisitic-level lack of empathy. You people seriously can’t even for an instant entertain that you have been misled, lied to, it’s always those other people. There is no topic you are wrong on, wow, amazing! You aren’t the ones parroting a narrative (that always seemingly for no reason at all favors say… China), no no, it’s the other side, they’re the cult, they are the sheep, and they’re controlled by Koch’s or Jews or whatever. If you grew up in the life of a conservative person, you would vote and think like them. End of story. You aren't special, you’re just another cog. You aren’t morally superior, you aren’t even actually all that different from the people you have been told to hate. You’ve been conditioned that the world is ending by a trillions of dollars media campaign your entire life and that every person in power that doesn’t play a specific game is Hilter and fascism is on its way. Consider this… what if you are the crazy one? How would you know it? Because you’re smarter? Because you have an innate ability to align with a group but somehow also maintained the ability to see outside of it? We’ve never had an objectively better world for all humans, and yet you been programmed to subjectively consider it never worse. Hedonic treadmill doesn’t begin to cover it. All your claims just sound like game to me. The good people are politically homeless, and you seem to be not that.