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and they’ve made it clear that building products around claude -p is disallowed Imagine not being able to connect services together or compose building-blocks

and they’ve made it clear that building products around claude -p is disallowed Imagine not being able to connect services together or compose building-blocks to do what you want. This is absolute insanity that runs counter to decades of computing progress and interoperability (including Unix philosophy); and I'm saying this as someone who doesn't even care for using AI.

colechristensen 7mo ago
You absolutely can, just pay for their API usage. The subscriptions are deeply discounted if you use your full quota compared to the API.
- mccoyb 7mo ago
  It is confusing for a company to sell you the subscription service, say "Claude Code is covered", ship Claude Code with `claude -p`, and then say "oh right, actually, not _all of Claude Code_, don't try and use it as a executable ... sorry, right, the subscription only works as long as you're looking at that juicy little Claude Code logo in the TUI" The disrespect Anthropic has for their user base is constant and palpable.
  - colechristensen 7mo ago
    This strikes me the same way the people in college who would print 497 empty pages at the end of the semester for the quota "they'd paid for" or that one guy who made lemonade at restaurants with the free lemon wedges and sugar packets. "Contempt for users" is silly. Adjusting terms to handle users who use things as not intended isn't contempt.
    - mccoyb 7mo ago
      Contempt for users is not silly when the CEO of said company has repeatedly claimed they will replace SWEs "end-to-end" by next year. I'm not sure what to say. You're either listening to the actions of these companies, or you're not in a place where you feel the need to be concerned be their actions. I'm in a place where I'm concerned by their actions, and the impact that their claims and behavior have on the working environment around me.
      - colechristensen 7mo ago
        At no point in the last 10,000 years of human civilization has there not been a developing technology that threatened to forever reshape and displace a class of labor. Or are you also upset about the modern plight of the telephone operator, farrier, or coal miner?
        mccoyb 7mo ago
        I see -- and AI is just like all technologies that came before it ... It is not a class of labor ... it is all digital labor. Do you or do you not understand this? It is digital knowledge itself, and then all communication labor, and then all physical labor with robotics. Is this clear to you?
        xvector 7mo ago
        Oh nooo, labor might be automated and we might see advancement that makes the Industrial Revolution look small! Oh, the humanity! Please someone, stop progressing humanity, I need to cling to my sticks!
        NewsaHackO 7mo ago
        Are SWE's the only digital labor job?
        colechristensen 7mo ago
        And? Hyperbolic fear of change always exists and there's always been more work. Marx' whole idea of Communism was predicted on the fact that he assumed industrialization would lead to a post-scarcity society requiring virtually no work and a overhaul of how everything was owned and produced. Boy was he wrong.
      - serial_dev 7mo ago
        Did he say they will replace SWEs, or maybe something more nuanced, that code will be written by AI tools? Honest question from my end, I try to not read every AI related news that keeps telling me “it’s over, good luck feeding your family in 9-12 months”.
  - the_other 7mo ago
    You could think about it this way: All AI prices will rise soon - probably shortly after the IPOs. The new prices will be eyewatering compared with today’s. This bulling change is lengthening the time until Anthropic have to raise the subscription prices, so those of us who’re not doing 24hr claw stuff can continue to use the tools the way we’ve gotten used to.
  - wat10000 7mo ago
    Subscriptions are going to leave you open to changes in the subscription terms at any time. This is especially true of AYCE subscriptions for something with a substantial marginal cost of additional usage. If you want unrestricted and unlimited usage, it's available through the API. Complaining about the subscription like this is basically saying, I want what you're offering, but I demand it for cheaper than what you charge for it. That doesn't make any more sense here than it does at the grocery store.
4b11b4 7mo ago
But you can still integrate this (claude -p) into your local workflows when you basically want to pipe pipe stuff to Claude for inference
Aperocky 7mo ago
it's trivial to use tmux. But it does feels like openclaw is used (and increasingly developed) by people who never heard of it.
- nickthegreek 7mo ago
  openclaw even ships with a built in tmux skill
MattRix 7mo ago
They aren’t stopping anyone from using claude -p, they are just charging for that usage.
stusmall 7mo ago
Except it's not counter to history for SaaS services. Many will ban unauthentic usage from non-human clients. Getting banned from a SaaS service for boting is nothing new
RevEng 7mo ago
Even better, running something like 'claude -p' at the command line is exactly the kind of thing a model would do. Mine loves to run python, node, and a dozen other applications.

colechristensen 7mo ago

You absolutely can, just pay for their API usage. The subscriptions are deeply discounted if you use your full quota compared to the API.

mccoyb 7mo ago
It is confusing for a company to sell you the subscription service, say "Claude Code is covered", ship Claude Code with `claude -p`, and then say "oh right, actually, not _all of Claude Code_, don't try and use it as a executable ... sorry, right, the subscription only works as long as you're looking at that juicy little Claude Code logo in the TUI" The disrespect Anthropic has for their user base is constant and palpable.
- colechristensen 7mo ago
  This strikes me the same way the people in college who would print 497 empty pages at the end of the semester for the quota "they'd paid for" or that one guy who made lemonade at restaurants with the free lemon wedges and sugar packets. "Contempt for users" is silly. Adjusting terms to handle users who use things as not intended isn't contempt.
  - mccoyb 7mo ago
    Contempt for users is not silly when the CEO of said company has repeatedly claimed they will replace SWEs "end-to-end" by next year. I'm not sure what to say. You're either listening to the actions of these companies, or you're not in a place where you feel the need to be concerned be their actions. I'm in a place where I'm concerned by their actions, and the impact that their claims and behavior have on the working environment around me.
    - colechristensen 7mo ago
      At no point in the last 10,000 years of human civilization has there not been a developing technology that threatened to forever reshape and displace a class of labor. Or are you also upset about the modern plight of the telephone operator, farrier, or coal miner?
      - mccoyb 7mo ago
        I see -- and AI is just like all technologies that came before it ... It is not a class of labor ... it is all digital labor. Do you or do you not understand this? It is digital knowledge itself, and then all communication labor, and then all physical labor with robotics. Is this clear to you?
        xvector 7mo ago
        Oh nooo, labor might be automated and we might see advancement that makes the Industrial Revolution look small! Oh, the humanity! Please someone, stop progressing humanity, I need to cling to my sticks!
        NewsaHackO 7mo ago
        Are SWE's the only digital labor job?
        colechristensen 7mo ago
        And? Hyperbolic fear of change always exists and there's always been more work. Marx' whole idea of Communism was predicted on the fact that he assumed industrialization would lead to a post-scarcity society requiring virtually no work and a overhaul of how everything was owned and produced. Boy was he wrong.
    - serial_dev 7mo ago
      Did he say they will replace SWEs, or maybe something more nuanced, that code will be written by AI tools? Honest question from my end, I try to not read every AI related news that keeps telling me “it’s over, good luck feeding your family in 9-12 months”.
- the_other 7mo ago
  You could think about it this way: All AI prices will rise soon - probably shortly after the IPOs. The new prices will be eyewatering compared with today’s. This bulling change is lengthening the time until Anthropic have to raise the subscription prices, so those of us who’re not doing 24hr claw stuff can continue to use the tools the way we’ve gotten used to.
- wat10000 7mo ago
  Subscriptions are going to leave you open to changes in the subscription terms at any time. This is especially true of AYCE subscriptions for something with a substantial marginal cost of additional usage. If you want unrestricted and unlimited usage, it's available through the API. Complaining about the subscription like this is basically saying, I want what you're offering, but I demand it for cheaper than what you charge for it. That doesn't make any more sense here than it does at the grocery store.

4b11b4 7mo ago

But you can still integrate this (claude -p) into your local workflows when you basically want to pipe pipe stuff to Claude for inference

Aperocky 7mo ago

it's trivial to use tmux. But it does feels like openclaw is used (and increasingly developed) by people who never heard of it.

nickthegreek 7mo ago
openclaw even ships with a built in tmux skill

MattRix 7mo ago

They aren’t stopping anyone from using claude -p, they are just charging for that usage.

stusmall 7mo ago

Except it's not counter to history for SaaS services. Many will ban unauthentic usage from non-human clients. Getting banned from a SaaS service for boting is nothing new

RevEng 7mo ago

Even better, running something like 'claude -p' at the command line is exactly the kind of thing a model would do. Mine loves to run python, node, and a dozen other applications.