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Marketing geniuses. They had 2 options here: 1. Make a better product/alternative to Openclaw and start eating their userbase. They hold the advantage because

Marketing geniuses. They had 2 options here: 1. Make a better product/alternative to Openclaw and start eating their userbase. They hold the advantage because the ones "using their servers too much" are already their clients so they could reach out and keep trying to convert. Openclaw literally brought them customers at the door. 2. Do everyone royally and get them off their platform - with a strong feeling of dislike or hatred towards Anthropic. Let's see how 2 goes for them. This is not the space to be treating your clients this way.

mrbungie 6mo ago
From you can tell from they long-term strategy they are not marketing geniuses, but rather they try to signal are "moral geniuses". That's the game they are playing, I don't really know if it is going to work or not.
- airstrike 6mo ago
  marketing geniuses was never a real alternative if inference is heavily subsidized, because open models scale in performance just as well, albeit 12-18 months late
nojito 6mo ago
>Make a better product/alternative to Openclaw and start eating their userbase. There's a good chance they do not have the infrastructure to do that.
dboreham 6mo ago
I'm fine with it. I don't want my subscription subsidizing the claw people.
- a10c 6mo ago
  How about the people that don't use OpenClaw, but alternative agent harnesses that are vastly better than Claude Code?
  - bsder 6mo ago
    > alternative agent harnesses that are vastly better than Claude Code? Okay, that got my attention. What harnesses are those?
    - arewethereyeta 6mo ago
      Cursor - I'm sure I can find more.
    - a10c 6mo ago
      pi-coding-agent (https://shittycodingagent.ai/ https://shittycodingagent.ai/) is what I use and is particularly popular due to its simplicity and minimal system prompt.
- arewethereyeta 6mo ago
  I think you value yourself too much over other people. What does it even mean "claw people"?
subscribed 6mo ago
Well, I don't use openclaw and I don't think it would be fair if everyone had to pay more to subscribe them. Why hatred btw? They're not even banning accounts left and right like Google?
infecto 6mo ago
Such a small minority of the customers they want use openclaw and in aggregate a lot of compute use is coming from the total group. Better to stop customers you don’t want. This has zero impact on top line revenue
luxuryballs 6mo ago
but are they really doing that? I mean it says you can keep using OpenClaw you just have to allocate money to the extra usage or an api token, I have no plan on not using it because Opus makes the claw so smart, I’ll just put more money towards the extra usage rather than the beefier sub
krater23 6mo ago
Not the software is the product, you know? The tokens are the product. Selling cheap subscriptions to power users costs them money. That are the customers you don't want, so why hesitate to get rid of them when they don't want to pay more?
srf6413 6mo ago
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mrbungie 6mo ago

From you can tell from they long-term strategy they are not marketing geniuses, but rather they try to signal are "moral geniuses". That's the game they are playing, I don't really know if it is going to work or not.

airstrike 6mo ago
marketing geniuses was never a real alternative if inference is heavily subsidized, because open models scale in performance just as well, albeit 12-18 months late

nojito 6mo ago

>Make a better product/alternative to Openclaw and start eating their userbase. There's a good chance they do not have the infrastructure to do that.

dboreham 6mo ago

I'm fine with it. I don't want my subscription subsidizing the claw people.

a10c 6mo ago
How about the people that don't use OpenClaw, but alternative agent harnesses that are vastly better than Claude Code?
- bsder 6mo ago
  > alternative agent harnesses that are vastly better than Claude Code? Okay, that got my attention. What harnesses are those?
  - arewethereyeta 6mo ago
    Cursor - I'm sure I can find more.
  - a10c 6mo ago
    pi-coding-agent (https://shittycodingagent.ai/ https://shittycodingagent.ai/) is what I use and is particularly popular due to its simplicity and minimal system prompt.
arewethereyeta 6mo ago
I think you value yourself too much over other people. What does it even mean "claw people"?

subscribed 6mo ago

Well, I don't use openclaw and I don't think it would be fair if everyone had to pay more to subscribe them. Why hatred btw? They're not even banning accounts left and right like Google?

infecto 6mo ago

Such a small minority of the customers they want use openclaw and in aggregate a lot of compute use is coming from the total group. Better to stop customers you don’t want. This has zero impact on top line revenue

luxuryballs 6mo ago

but are they really doing that? I mean it says you can keep using OpenClaw you just have to allocate money to the extra usage or an api token, I have no plan on not using it because Opus makes the claw so smart, I’ll just put more money towards the extra usage rather than the beefier sub

krater23 6mo ago

Not the software is the product, you know? The tokens are the product. Selling cheap subscriptions to power users costs them money. That are the customers you don't want, so why hesitate to get rid of them when they don't want to pay more?

srf6413 6mo ago

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