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Oh, didn't you hear, we actually _triple tapped_ the school, so after the first wave of rescuers was also hit, anyone who came to help was also attacked. Total

Oh, didn't you hear, we actually _triple tapped_ the school, so after the first wave of rescuers was also hit, anyone who came to help was also attacked. Totally not a war crime.

spwa4 7mo ago
Where do you even find this? Even if true, it's legally incorrect, btw. There are 2 kinds of warcrimes: Rome treaty (the only legal definition) and Geneva convention. The Rome treaty allows countries to opt-out of the treaty, and then nothing on their territory qualifies as a war crime. Iran has opted out of the Rome treaty, and so when it comes to international law, nothing that happens on Iranian soil is a war crime. And we all know WHY islamists want it that way. But of course they will confuse matters as propaganda ... Second, "colloquial" definition of a war crime are Geneva convention violations. And ignoring that EVERY attack Iran executed in the 2 days was a warcrime in that definition. Every last one. They didn't even try to go after military targets for days. But ignoring that. What warcrimes do, in the sense of the Geneva convention, is that they are justifications for the UNSC to intervene, should it want to. Well, Russia, China and France have just declared that the UNSC does not follow the reasoning that these are warcrimes. Not because they don't believe Geneva convention violations aren't heinous crimes (of course Iran has violated it constantly for 50+ years with constant heinous crimes), but that these states don't see any reason to act.
- Saline9515 7mo ago
  It's in the wikipedia notice, if you ever tried to search it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack "According to witness accounts verified by satellite-based analyses, the school was triple tapped by three distinct strikes." War crime isn't just a legal definition, just like the world was genocide-free before WW2. And by your reasoning it's totally fine to genocide people as long as no treaty/law prevents it. Of course it isn't. Most people would agree to say that bombing a school or a dessalination plant is a war crime, whatever the convention was signed before. Schoolchildren are not responsible for the IRGC's actions.
  - spwa4 7mo ago
    If you trust wikipedia without checking the talk page, and frankly in anything remotely involving Israel, you've lost the plot. Sorry but it just isn't remotely neutral on more and more subjects. And this is the old trick: judging one side by absolutist morals, and then claiming SOME portion of the other side was innocent. Obviously, this is a fallacy and not a reasonable way to judge the morals of an action. In reality, of course, nearly everyone the Iranian government attacks is totally innocent, and that's 100% intentional on their part. From toddlers in Argentina to Metro goers in Brussels. In Brussels, in an Iranian organized terror attack the guy put 5 bullets in a baby in a child carriage, waiting to shoot the mother (she survived, by the way) until she collapsed to the ground. THAT is who is being targeted here. That was not an accident. That's one side, and the other side ... makes mistakes. Clearly, the moral problem here is a mistake by the other side. Clearly THAT's the problem that needs to be solved. Removing an evil actor requires, frankly, evil actions. Any real moral system will allow for that. Have you ever been to Dresden? What happened there is far worse than even Hiroshima. There's a shelter you can visit there, with a book like in Lord of the rings. It is open to a partially burnt page with the text that people were panicking when the wind drew fire into the shelter during the bombing. People caught on fire, put it out in panic, and it would immediately catch on fire again. Then those people collapsed. The text ... ends there, with spilled ink. There are 2 child carriages in that basement. This action is considered morally justified, even by the survivors at the time, despite the fact that it didn't even achieve it's military objectives (the factories it targeted weren't destroyed, the city center was, and the aircraft factories, the main target, had stopped producing for lack of inputs months before the attack started) Both historically and in moral source texts you will find people give enormous moral leeway to actions meant to save others. To remove an evil actor. That is even the case when they cause incredible damage.
    - Saline9515 7mo ago
      Wikipedia provides sources that you can check yourself. In this case, it's the BBC, a well known IRGC-aligned and extremist media hostile to the USA. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yqqyly9n0o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yqqyly9n0o And you whataboutism is childish, on top of the basic fact that the school bombing happened in the first days of the war, after a stupid and sadistic decapitation strike that destroyed any chance of negotiated settlement. It's not the US' job to punish the IRGC for their crimes, and now that they started this idiotic war, the situation in Iran is even worse than when it started, including for the population. Which is yet another complete, objective failure and a proof that bombing populations don't lead to regime change. > That's one side, and the other side ... makes mistakes. This is a widely biased interpretation absolving an army whose chief has declared "no quarters" (=war crime) and conducts double-tap strikes on civilian infrastructure. And who bombed Dresden, Gaza, Vietnam or Cambodia? Why was it wrong then, but now it's cool?
- FireBeyond 7mo ago
  > Second, "colloquial" definition of a war crime are Geneva convention violations. The other "colloquial" definition of a war crime is "things we prosecuted the Nazis for at Nuremberg". One side here is playing "world's police", so this "but those people (that we've painted as fundamentalist extremist terrorists) are committing war crimes so why shouldn't we get to, too?" isn't exactly the fine upstanding argument that you seem to think it is, just as it's not when the IDF responds to children throwing rocks at main battle tanks with live ammunition and turning off the power to a country for three days.
  - spwa4 7mo ago
    I find it absolutely incredible anyone would choose to use such arguments to defend Iran's islamist regime. Why?Unfortunately every conflict has 2 sides. This is what the side you're defending does: (man it's difficult to get a list of links into hacker news) (also: stolen from a reddit summary) Recently, Iran has lowered the entry age into the Iranian military to 12, and they have a long and storied history of using child soldiers in the Iran/Iraq war as suicide bombers - and sending them into minefields tied together with rope to prevent escape, so they could be human minesweepers for tanks and adult soldiers [1]. 550,000+ child soldiers were used in the Iran/Iraq war, with over 36,000 as young as NINE years old being killed. Martyrdom is taught in Iranian schools to this day [2]. UNICEF reports 1/5 of ALL marriages in Iran are child marriages. They can legally marry 13 year old girls, and can marry any age with the father’s permission; it’s likely higher than 1/5 as in rural regions it’s common for marriages to not be reported [3]. They just slaughtered 30,000+ civilian protestors in January who were demonstrating against a literal terrorist puppet state who has committed some of the worst human rights atrocities in the world in the span of their 50 year history [4]. Ayatollah Khomeini (Iran’s Supreme Leader) stated virgin women are to be raped prior to their executions (largely for minor acts) so they don’t die a virgin, and justified it through his interpretation of his religion [5]. Here’s Iranian Parliament chanting “Death to America”, which they do constantly [6]. They are directly funding and arming internationally recognized terror groups [7]. Based on Intelligence estimates, Iran-funded terrorist groups have been responsible for thousands of deaths, including hundreds of American personnel, since the 1979 revolution. Major casualties are attributed to Iran-backed proxies such as Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) in Gaza, and various Shiite militias in Iraq [8]. And are visibly, via satellite, enriching uranium past 60% which is only used for acquiring nuclear weapons [9]. This is far from a complete list. We're not even discussing that iranian clergy are literally pimping underage girls for sex, which sharia is perfectly fine with (and also happens in other muslim states, including sunni ones) as long as what we'd call the pimp is an imam. [1] https://www.jns.org/opinion/yoram-ettinger/irans-sickening-use-of-child-soldiers https://www.jns.org/opinion/yoram-ettinger/irans-sickening-u... [2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/04/iran-recruitment-of-child-soldiers-as-young-as-12-amounts-to-a-war-crime/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/04/iran-recruitm... [3] https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/learning-resources/child-marriage-atlas/regions-and-countries/iran/#:~:text=17%25%20of%20girls%20in%20Iran%20marry%20before%20age%2018%20and%203%25%20marry%20before%20age%2015. https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/learning-resources/child-marr... [4] https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/ https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-... [5] https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmintdev/107/107vw33.htm#:~:text=Based%20on%20JFI%E2%80%99s%20findings%2C%20some%20of%20the%20various%20forms%20of%20sexual%20torture%2C%20such%20as%20the%20rape%20of%20virgin%20girls%20prior%20to%20their%20execution%2C%20were%20conducted%20in%20a%20systematic%20way%20and%20were%20based%20on%20the%20interpretation%20of%20an%20order%20by%20Ayatollah%20Khomeini%20(1979%E2%80%931989)%2C%20the%20Islamic%20Republic%20Supreme%20Leader%20at%20the%20time https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmin... [6] https://youtu.be/GUDLkKmzpeU?si=QiPMeyj8y8gWQfzr https://youtu.be/GUDLkKmzpeU?si=QiPMeyj8y8gWQfzr [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terro... [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terro... [9] https://www.csis.org/analysis/csis-satellite-imagery-analysis-reveals-possible-signs-renewed-nuclear-activity-iran https://www.csis.org/analysis/csis-satellite-imagery-analysi...

Oh, didn't you hear, we actually _triple tapped_ the school, so after the first wave of rescuers was also hit, anyone who came to help was also attacked. Totally not a war crime.

spwa4 7mo ago

Where do you even find this? Even if true, it's legally incorrect, btw. There are 2 kinds of warcrimes: Rome treaty (the only legal definition) and Geneva convention. The Rome treaty allows countries to opt-out of the treaty, and then nothing on their territory qualifies as a war crime. Iran has opted out of the Rome treaty, and so when it comes to international law, nothing that happens on Iranian soil is a war crime. And we all know WHY islamists want it that way. But of course they will confuse matters as propaganda ... Second, "colloquial" definition of a war crime are Geneva convention violations. And ignoring that EVERY attack Iran executed in the 2 days was a warcrime in that definition. Every last one. They didn't even try to go after military targets for days. But ignoring that. What warcrimes do, in the sense of the Geneva convention, is that they are justifications for the UNSC to intervene, should it want to. Well, Russia, China and France have just declared that the UNSC does not follow the reasoning that these are warcrimes. Not because they don't believe Geneva convention violations aren't heinous crimes (of course Iran has violated it constantly for 50+ years with constant heinous crimes), but that these states don't see any reason to act.

Saline9515 7mo ago
It's in the wikipedia notice, if you ever tried to search it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack "According to witness accounts verified by satellite-based analyses, the school was triple tapped by three distinct strikes." War crime isn't just a legal definition, just like the world was genocide-free before WW2. And by your reasoning it's totally fine to genocide people as long as no treaty/law prevents it. Of course it isn't. Most people would agree to say that bombing a school or a dessalination plant is a war crime, whatever the convention was signed before. Schoolchildren are not responsible for the IRGC's actions.
- spwa4 7mo ago
  If you trust wikipedia without checking the talk page, and frankly in anything remotely involving Israel, you've lost the plot. Sorry but it just isn't remotely neutral on more and more subjects. And this is the old trick: judging one side by absolutist morals, and then claiming SOME portion of the other side was innocent. Obviously, this is a fallacy and not a reasonable way to judge the morals of an action. In reality, of course, nearly everyone the Iranian government attacks is totally innocent, and that's 100% intentional on their part. From toddlers in Argentina to Metro goers in Brussels. In Brussels, in an Iranian organized terror attack the guy put 5 bullets in a baby in a child carriage, waiting to shoot the mother (she survived, by the way) until she collapsed to the ground. THAT is who is being targeted here. That was not an accident. That's one side, and the other side ... makes mistakes. Clearly, the moral problem here is a mistake by the other side. Clearly THAT's the problem that needs to be solved. Removing an evil actor requires, frankly, evil actions. Any real moral system will allow for that. Have you ever been to Dresden? What happened there is far worse than even Hiroshima. There's a shelter you can visit there, with a book like in Lord of the rings. It is open to a partially burnt page with the text that people were panicking when the wind drew fire into the shelter during the bombing. People caught on fire, put it out in panic, and it would immediately catch on fire again. Then those people collapsed. The text ... ends there, with spilled ink. There are 2 child carriages in that basement. This action is considered morally justified, even by the survivors at the time, despite the fact that it didn't even achieve it's military objectives (the factories it targeted weren't destroyed, the city center was, and the aircraft factories, the main target, had stopped producing for lack of inputs months before the attack started) Both historically and in moral source texts you will find people give enormous moral leeway to actions meant to save others. To remove an evil actor. That is even the case when they cause incredible damage.
  - Saline9515 7mo ago
    Wikipedia provides sources that you can check yourself. In this case, it's the BBC, a well known IRGC-aligned and extremist media hostile to the USA. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yqqyly9n0o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yqqyly9n0o And you whataboutism is childish, on top of the basic fact that the school bombing happened in the first days of the war, after a stupid and sadistic decapitation strike that destroyed any chance of negotiated settlement. It's not the US' job to punish the IRGC for their crimes, and now that they started this idiotic war, the situation in Iran is even worse than when it started, including for the population. Which is yet another complete, objective failure and a proof that bombing populations don't lead to regime change. > That's one side, and the other side ... makes mistakes. This is a widely biased interpretation absolving an army whose chief has declared "no quarters" (=war crime) and conducts double-tap strikes on civilian infrastructure. And who bombed Dresden, Gaza, Vietnam or Cambodia? Why was it wrong then, but now it's cool?
FireBeyond 7mo ago
> Second, "colloquial" definition of a war crime are Geneva convention violations. The other "colloquial" definition of a war crime is "things we prosecuted the Nazis for at Nuremberg". One side here is playing "world's police", so this "but those people (that we've painted as fundamentalist extremist terrorists) are committing war crimes so why shouldn't we get to, too?" isn't exactly the fine upstanding argument that you seem to think it is, just as it's not when the IDF responds to children throwing rocks at main battle tanks with live ammunition and turning off the power to a country for three days.
- spwa4 7mo ago
  I find it absolutely incredible anyone would choose to use such arguments to defend Iran's islamist regime. Why?Unfortunately every conflict has 2 sides. This is what the side you're defending does: (man it's difficult to get a list of links into hacker news) (also: stolen from a reddit summary) Recently, Iran has lowered the entry age into the Iranian military to 12, and they have a long and storied history of using child soldiers in the Iran/Iraq war as suicide bombers - and sending them into minefields tied together with rope to prevent escape, so they could be human minesweepers for tanks and adult soldiers [1]. 550,000+ child soldiers were used in the Iran/Iraq war, with over 36,000 as young as NINE years old being killed. Martyrdom is taught in Iranian schools to this day [2]. UNICEF reports 1/5 of ALL marriages in Iran are child marriages. They can legally marry 13 year old girls, and can marry any age with the father’s permission; it’s likely higher than 1/5 as in rural regions it’s common for marriages to not be reported [3]. They just slaughtered 30,000+ civilian protestors in January who were demonstrating against a literal terrorist puppet state who has committed some of the worst human rights atrocities in the world in the span of their 50 year history [4]. Ayatollah Khomeini (Iran’s Supreme Leader) stated virgin women are to be raped prior to their executions (largely for minor acts) so they don’t die a virgin, and justified it through his interpretation of his religion [5]. Here’s Iranian Parliament chanting “Death to America”, which they do constantly [6]. They are directly funding and arming internationally recognized terror groups [7]. Based on Intelligence estimates, Iran-funded terrorist groups have been responsible for thousands of deaths, including hundreds of American personnel, since the 1979 revolution. Major casualties are attributed to Iran-backed proxies such as Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) in Gaza, and various Shiite militias in Iraq [8]. And are visibly, via satellite, enriching uranium past 60% which is only used for acquiring nuclear weapons [9]. This is far from a complete list. We're not even discussing that iranian clergy are literally pimping underage girls for sex, which sharia is perfectly fine with (and also happens in other muslim states, including sunni ones) as long as what we'd call the pimp is an imam. [1] https://www.jns.org/opinion/yoram-ettinger/irans-sickening-use-of-child-soldiers https://www.jns.org/opinion/yoram-ettinger/irans-sickening-u... [2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/04/iran-recruitment-of-child-soldiers-as-young-as-12-amounts-to-a-war-crime/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/04/iran-recruitm... [3] https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/learning-resources/child-marriage-atlas/regions-and-countries/iran/#:~:text=17%25%20of%20girls%20in%20Iran%20marry%20before%20age%2018%20and%203%25%20marry%20before%20age%2015. https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/learning-resources/child-marr... [4] https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/ https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-... [5] https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmintdev/107/107vw33.htm#:~:text=Based%20on%20JFI%E2%80%99s%20findings%2C%20some%20of%20the%20various%20forms%20of%20sexual%20torture%2C%20such%20as%20the%20rape%20of%20virgin%20girls%20prior%20to%20their%20execution%2C%20were%20conducted%20in%20a%20systematic%20way%20and%20were%20based%20on%20the%20interpretation%20of%20an%20order%20by%20Ayatollah%20Khomeini%20(1979%E2%80%931989)%2C%20the%20Islamic%20Republic%20Supreme%20Leader%20at%20the%20time https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmin... [6] https://youtu.be/GUDLkKmzpeU?si=QiPMeyj8y8gWQfzr https://youtu.be/GUDLkKmzpeU?si=QiPMeyj8y8gWQfzr [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terro... [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terro... [9] https://www.csis.org/analysis/csis-satellite-imagery-analysis-reveals-possible-signs-renewed-nuclear-activity-iran https://www.csis.org/analysis/csis-satellite-imagery-analysi...