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I’m reading one of those Blackhawks was shot down. An A-10, F-16, and a refueling plane, in addition to the F-15 so far today. Which, if true, is not a good sig

I’m reading one of those Blackhawks was shot down. An A-10, F-16, and a refueling plane, in addition to the F-15 so far today. Which, if true, is not a good sign.

ericmay 7mo ago
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- cjbgkagh 7mo ago
  We must be using different definitions for ‘complete’. I think Iran is using loitering anti-air missiles with IR seeking which seems to be effective. Maybe this sudden spike is reflective of receiving new equipment from China.
  - ericmay 7mo ago
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    - cjbgkagh 7mo ago
      I would term it; the US has air dominance but the airspace is still contested as evident by the recent losses. Also, I think the US is still predominantly using standoff munitions instead of switching to dumb munitions because the airspace is still contested.
      - ericmay 7mo ago
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        Saline9515 7mo ago
        The us has air dominance but not air supremacy, which is why missiles are mostly used rather than bombs with gps kits, requiring to get much closer. And the US has been very keen to bomb civilians and civilian infrastructure, along with Israelis, since the start of the war [0]. The US-Israelis are guilty of war crimes. The recent bombing of an unfinished bridge is another example of the US-Israeli actions, especially since they did a double-tap to kill rescuers. [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Qeshm_Island_desalination_plant_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Qeshm_Island_desalination... [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/firestorm-for-hegseth-after-reported-us-double-tap-in-iran/ar-AA202eTB https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/firestorm-for-hegseth-a...
        ElProlactin 7mo ago
        > Yes the US probably is still using precision weapons because, well, unlike the Iranian government we don't want to use so-called dumb munitions and indiscriminately bomb civilians or civilian targets. Are you referring to the "precision" weapons that hit the girls' school?
        bijowo1676 7mo ago
        US did murder 170 girls in Minab school, and hit many civilian targets, including a water desalination plant. Yes US is using precision weapons, but not because they want to avoid indiscriminate bombing. It's because US wants to precisely bomb specific civilian targets
        drnick1 7mo ago
        One could argue that the IRGC, much like Hamas, purposely builds military headquarters and other facilities near hospitals, schools, and civilian infrastructure precisely to use civilians as human shields.
        bijowo1676 7mo ago
        nobody can argue that, unless you are a war criminal trying to justify your war crimes
        sapphicsnail 7mo ago
        Even if that's true, it doesn't justify killing a bunch of girls. I honestly can't understand how anyone gets to this point.
        BigTTYGothGF 7mo ago
        There's a day care center across I-95 from the Pentagon.
    - pavel_lishin 7mo ago
      > I guess my definition is “US can do whatever it wants without contest” and that seems to be the case here. Whatever it wants, as long as that doesn't include flying aircraft or going through the strait.
      - lostlogin 7mo ago
        Maybe ericmay is arguing that the US wants its planes shot down?
- seanw444 7mo ago
  Not sure why you're getting downvoted. It is completely expected to lose aircraft in an operation of this scale, against an opponent with this level of sophistication. People put way too much stock in all of these modern stealth systems and whatnot. Stealth, for example, is a buzzword. It will give a slight edge, but it's not going to make your aircraft completely invisible and unshootable.
  - lostlogin 7mo ago
    The Iran war is going exactly to plan and this isn’t a bad day for the US administration?
  - bijowo1676 7mo ago
    Stealth really should be qualified as radar-stealth, not optical stealth and not infrared stealth. Iran is using infrared seekers to shut down planes and US pilots never get a warning of incoming missile due to Iran's passive IR seekers
- voganmother42 7mo ago
  Oh yeah, its going great, so much achieved for only 30B and untold human lives, the winning!
  - conception 7mo ago
    Well we’re talking about Iran instead of the President’s “dealings” with a bevy of children so mission accomplished!
- ElProlactin 7mo ago
  > Yet we've wiped out quite a bit of their military infrastructure and have complete control over the skies. How can you believe that the US has "complete control over the skies" given today's events?
- pavel_lishin 7mo ago
  > have complete control over the skies. If we had complete control over the skies, we wouldn't be losing aircraft, would we?

I’m reading one of those Blackhawks was shot down. An A-10, F-16, and a refueling plane, in addition to the F-15 so far today. Which, if true, is not a good sign.

ericmay 7mo ago

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cjbgkagh 7mo ago
We must be using different definitions for ‘complete’. I think Iran is using loitering anti-air missiles with IR seeking which seems to be effective. Maybe this sudden spike is reflective of receiving new equipment from China.
- ericmay 7mo ago
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  - cjbgkagh 7mo ago
    I would term it; the US has air dominance but the airspace is still contested as evident by the recent losses. Also, I think the US is still predominantly using standoff munitions instead of switching to dumb munitions because the airspace is still contested.
    - ericmay 7mo ago
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      - Saline9515 7mo ago
        The us has air dominance but not air supremacy, which is why missiles are mostly used rather than bombs with gps kits, requiring to get much closer. And the US has been very keen to bomb civilians and civilian infrastructure, along with Israelis, since the start of the war [0]. The US-Israelis are guilty of war crimes. The recent bombing of an unfinished bridge is another example of the US-Israeli actions, especially since they did a double-tap to kill rescuers. [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Qeshm_Island_desalination_plant_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Qeshm_Island_desalination... [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/firestorm-for-hegseth-after-reported-us-double-tap-in-iran/ar-AA202eTB https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/firestorm-for-hegseth-a...
      - ElProlactin 7mo ago
        > Yes the US probably is still using precision weapons because, well, unlike the Iranian government we don't want to use so-called dumb munitions and indiscriminately bomb civilians or civilian targets. Are you referring to the "precision" weapons that hit the girls' school?
      - bijowo1676 7mo ago
        US did murder 170 girls in Minab school, and hit many civilian targets, including a water desalination plant. Yes US is using precision weapons, but not because they want to avoid indiscriminate bombing. It's because US wants to precisely bomb specific civilian targets
        drnick1 7mo ago
        One could argue that the IRGC, much like Hamas, purposely builds military headquarters and other facilities near hospitals, schools, and civilian infrastructure precisely to use civilians as human shields.
        bijowo1676 7mo ago
        nobody can argue that, unless you are a war criminal trying to justify your war crimes
        sapphicsnail 7mo ago
        Even if that's true, it doesn't justify killing a bunch of girls. I honestly can't understand how anyone gets to this point.
        BigTTYGothGF 7mo ago
        There's a day care center across I-95 from the Pentagon.
  - pavel_lishin 7mo ago
    > I guess my definition is “US can do whatever it wants without contest” and that seems to be the case here. Whatever it wants, as long as that doesn't include flying aircraft or going through the strait.
    - lostlogin 7mo ago
      Maybe ericmay is arguing that the US wants its planes shot down?
seanw444 7mo ago
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. It is completely expected to lose aircraft in an operation of this scale, against an opponent with this level of sophistication. People put way too much stock in all of these modern stealth systems and whatnot. Stealth, for example, is a buzzword. It will give a slight edge, but it's not going to make your aircraft completely invisible and unshootable.
- lostlogin 7mo ago
  The Iran war is going exactly to plan and this isn’t a bad day for the US administration?
- bijowo1676 7mo ago
  Stealth really should be qualified as radar-stealth, not optical stealth and not infrared stealth. Iran is using infrared seekers to shut down planes and US pilots never get a warning of incoming missile due to Iran's passive IR seekers
voganmother42 7mo ago
Oh yeah, its going great, so much achieved for only 30B and untold human lives, the winning!
- conception 7mo ago
  Well we’re talking about Iran instead of the President’s “dealings” with a bevy of children so mission accomplished!
ElProlactin 7mo ago
> Yet we've wiped out quite a bit of their military infrastructure and have complete control over the skies. How can you believe that the US has "complete control over the skies" given today's events?
pavel_lishin 7mo ago
> have complete control over the skies. If we had complete control over the skies, we wouldn't be losing aircraft, would we?