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My concern is that other countries can aid Iran with weapons in a direct and indirect way. There is no guarantee to block the railroads from East and the shipme

My concern is that other countries can aid Iran with weapons in a direct and indirect way. There is no guarantee to block the railroads from East and the shipments from North.

standardUser 7mo ago
That's not a concern it's a reality. Iran is not shut-off or blockaded to any meaningful degree. It has tons of unmolested border crossings and Caspian sea access, and maintains full control within it's own borders (minus the parts that have been blown up).
- simonh 7mo ago
  Also ships are still transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from Iranian ports taking goods in from China, with who knows what on board. They are also exporting more oil now than they were before the war. I mean special military operation, not war. Only congress can declare war.
  - standardUser 7mo ago
    Even the Philippines, a US ally, has struck a deal with Iran for safe passage. Meanwhile, Oman is working with Iran on a toll scheme. There's an emerging chance that no US-flagged vessel crosses the Straight of Hormuz again in our lifetimes (except maybe for a retreating 5th fleet).
    - pjc50 7mo ago
      The Philippines may be a US client state since MacArthur liberated them from Japan, but they need to deal with Iran to keep the lights on. The rationing situation is quite bad in a lot of east Asian countries.
      - sophacles 7mo ago
        > a US client state since MacArthur liberated them from Japan a US client state since MacArthur liberated them from Japan And a US colony/territory for the 43 years before Japan invaded. They were ruled by a US puppet state in a supposed "transition to independence" at the time Japan invaded, however it's unclear how much actual independence they would have had in practice. I mention this because: 1. The way you state it makes it sound like they were somehow independent before the war. 2. It explains why MacArthur was there with the US army to resist the Japanese invasion from the first day it happened (Dec 7, 1941) 3. Its history worth looking into to contextualize just how bad the US has always been at taking over places. Acting as if this is post WW2 (as the media does) is counter-productive to truly understanding the number of really botched invasions the US has done.
        simonh 7mo ago
        It’s done some pretty decent ones as well. Western Europe including West Germany, Japan, arguably South Korea although they went through a period of dictatorship, but all are staunch US allies. There have been failures too for sure. Over all of I was going to be invaded by somebody, with America at least there’s a chance it might be a least worst option.
epolanski 7mo ago
I would be more concerned if more countries did not help Iran, since in this conflict it's the victim.
nmbrskeptix 7mo ago
Why are you concerned that the clear victim of foreign aggression get help? They don't need it though. Our top brass knew this war is stupid twenty years ago. Without nukes we'll lose this war and badly.
- diordiderot 7mo ago
  > victim of foreign aggression Excuse us of being unsympathetic to the greatest state sponser of terrorism in history. The Muslim country all other Muslim countries love to hate. The only real theocracy left in the world. Wannabe North Korea. The country that killed 30,000 progressive protestors in a few days.
  - nmbrskeptix 7mo ago
    Nothing of what you said (all wrong, btw) is relevant to the fact we attacked first and getting our butts kicked. "The country that killed 30,000 progressive protestors in a few days." Ya, if you believe this you're poorly informed. Where does this number come from? Who sourced it? What is their relationship to Western powers? How are they able to count so many Iranians dying in dungeons so well? How about the logistics of killing 30 000 people? BS American propaganda. Kuwaiti babies redux. Iranian progressives have one thing that unites them: they remember that the CIA deposed the only democratically elected, progressive, president and installed a brutally repressive "Shah". [1] "The only real theocracy left in the world." That would have to include Israel, an apartheid state along religious lines where the Chief Rabbinate decides who can get married. "the greatest state sponsor of terrorism in history." Not according to the State Department; Iran and proxies don't crack the top 10. Sunnis (ISIS, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, etc) loath Shia and are not coordinated by Iran. "The Muslim country all other Muslim countries love to hate." Nope, only Sunni Gulf states hate Iran. Mostly because their rulers are colonial mandarins; the best example is Bahrain, a majority Shia population ruled by foreign Sunni elite installed by the UK 100 years ago. The native Bahrainis loath their rulers. "Wannabe North Korea." Say what you will about N. Korea, it isn't getting attacked though. [1] Shah in quotes because, as a monarchist myself, the deposed, CIA installed, Pahvali was the son of a deposed peasant and the father of a traitor (something, to be fair, the other two Pahlavis weren't).

My concern is that other countries can aid Iran with weapons in a direct and indirect way. There is no guarantee to block the railroads from East and the shipments from North.

standardUser 7mo ago

That's not a concern it's a reality. Iran is not shut-off or blockaded to any meaningful degree. It has tons of unmolested border crossings and Caspian sea access, and maintains full control within it's own borders (minus the parts that have been blown up).

simonh 7mo ago
Also ships are still transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from Iranian ports taking goods in from China, with who knows what on board. They are also exporting more oil now than they were before the war. I mean special military operation, not war. Only congress can declare war.
- standardUser 7mo ago
  Even the Philippines, a US ally, has struck a deal with Iran for safe passage. Meanwhile, Oman is working with Iran on a toll scheme. There's an emerging chance that no US-flagged vessel crosses the Straight of Hormuz again in our lifetimes (except maybe for a retreating 5th fleet).
  - pjc50 7mo ago
    The Philippines may be a US client state since MacArthur liberated them from Japan, but they need to deal with Iran to keep the lights on. The rationing situation is quite bad in a lot of east Asian countries.
    - sophacles 7mo ago
      > a US client state since MacArthur liberated them from Japan a US client state since MacArthur liberated them from Japan And a US colony/territory for the 43 years before Japan invaded. They were ruled by a US puppet state in a supposed "transition to independence" at the time Japan invaded, however it's unclear how much actual independence they would have had in practice. I mention this because: 1. The way you state it makes it sound like they were somehow independent before the war. 2. It explains why MacArthur was there with the US army to resist the Japanese invasion from the first day it happened (Dec 7, 1941) 3. Its history worth looking into to contextualize just how bad the US has always been at taking over places. Acting as if this is post WW2 (as the media does) is counter-productive to truly understanding the number of really botched invasions the US has done.
      - simonh 7mo ago
        It’s done some pretty decent ones as well. Western Europe including West Germany, Japan, arguably South Korea although they went through a period of dictatorship, but all are staunch US allies. There have been failures too for sure. Over all of I was going to be invaded by somebody, with America at least there’s a chance it might be a least worst option.

epolanski 7mo ago

I would be more concerned if more countries did not help Iran, since in this conflict it's the victim.

nmbrskeptix 7mo ago

Why are you concerned that the clear victim of foreign aggression get help? They don't need it though. Our top brass knew this war is stupid twenty years ago. Without nukes we'll lose this war and badly.

diordiderot 7mo ago
> victim of foreign aggression Excuse us of being unsympathetic to the greatest state sponser of terrorism in history. The Muslim country all other Muslim countries love to hate. The only real theocracy left in the world. Wannabe North Korea. The country that killed 30,000 progressive protestors in a few days.
- nmbrskeptix 7mo ago
  Nothing of what you said (all wrong, btw) is relevant to the fact we attacked first and getting our butts kicked. "The country that killed 30,000 progressive protestors in a few days." Ya, if you believe this you're poorly informed. Where does this number come from? Who sourced it? What is their relationship to Western powers? How are they able to count so many Iranians dying in dungeons so well? How about the logistics of killing 30 000 people? BS American propaganda. Kuwaiti babies redux. Iranian progressives have one thing that unites them: they remember that the CIA deposed the only democratically elected, progressive, president and installed a brutally repressive "Shah". [1] "The only real theocracy left in the world." That would have to include Israel, an apartheid state along religious lines where the Chief Rabbinate decides who can get married. "the greatest state sponsor of terrorism in history." Not according to the State Department; Iran and proxies don't crack the top 10. Sunnis (ISIS, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, etc) loath Shia and are not coordinated by Iran. "The Muslim country all other Muslim countries love to hate." Nope, only Sunni Gulf states hate Iran. Mostly because their rulers are colonial mandarins; the best example is Bahrain, a majority Shia population ruled by foreign Sunni elite installed by the UK 100 years ago. The native Bahrainis loath their rulers. "Wannabe North Korea." Say what you will about N. Korea, it isn't getting attacked though. [1] Shah in quotes because, as a monarchist myself, the deposed, CIA installed, Pahvali was the son of a deposed peasant and the father of a traitor (something, to be fair, the other two Pahlavis weren't).